Moog sells its business to InMusic • Hacker News Board

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Post by P_I_Staker » Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 5:37 PM UTC

SSLy wrote: post #195

P_I_Staker wrote: post #187

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I think the answer is no. They may be more prevalent and widely adopted, but there's essentially no point in owning a hardware synth. It's been heading this way for a while, but the 5 years or so has really seen software modelling synths become almost free from drawbacks compared to soft synths. I say this as someone that loathes soft synths, and loves playing with the hard synths. I absolutely despise the mouse inte…

> DAWless machines are being loaded with single board computers that can run plug-ins. Like the newest Ableton Push.

I think maschine did it first, and APC is now too... I did not know about the push, thanks, that's cool.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Post by RecycledEle » Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 8:30 PM UTC

I used to build clones of boards for Moog Synthesizes when I was in college in the 1990's.

https://shop.synthesizers.com/ (I don't make money off this any longer.)

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Post by irjustin » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 1:16 AM UTC

sowbug wrote: post #198

irjustin wrote: post #193

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> then he'd have to find a lawyer willing to take it on contingency, meaning he'd pay as much as half of any award at trial, after legal costs were deducted right, so "extremely straight forward". You seem to think that "giving up a lot of money" somehow invalidates it being "straight forward". Also, I didn't didn't say it was easy (hence the "requires lots of disclosure" actually i mean discovery so thanks on that c…

Sorry, I'm just using the dictionary definition of "straightforward," which is "easy to do or understand." I'm also a lawyer, and no lawyer on Earth would call a Hollywood-accounting case straightforward. Perhaps we're using different terminology. I concede you are consistently writing it as two words, so maybe you don't actually mean the English word "straightforward." Have a nice day.

Ah then my apologies on not knowing that "easy" is literally part of the definition of straight forward. Should have used a different term.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Post by busterarm » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 6:05 AM UTC

P_I_Staker wrote: post #187

busterarm wrote: post #6

Hardware synths, in particular the varieties that Moog makes, are at peak relevance again and who knows if that will remain the case. The brand was certainly sucking wind for a good 30 years of its history previously. Cashing out that equity now is a shrewd move...especially as consumer spending has gone to who knows where.

I think the answer is no. They may be more prevalent and widely adopted, but there's essentially no point in owning a hardware synth. It's been heading this way for a while, but the 5 years or so has really seen software modelling synths become almost free from drawbacks compared to soft synths. I say this as someone that loathes soft synths, and loves playing with the hard synths. I absolutely despise the mouse inte…

> but there's essentially no point in owning a hardware synth.

Not exactly. Some hardware synths are performance instruments in their own right. Something like the Expressive E Osmose, Roli Seaboard or Continuum Fingerboard are useful for their input capabilities, not for their synthesis methodology.

Also music is still often performed live and you're not going to get an organ's featureset out of software and a generic midi controller. The sounds, yes, but not the way you play it. There are ergonomic features to those kinds of hardware synths that are hard to replicate or even inferior when done with MIDI.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Post by musicale » Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 2:03 AM UTC

This sounds like a bad development. Pre-inMusic Alesis produced impressive synths like the A6/Andromeda, Ion and Fusion. (Though I guess inMusic Alesis still sells their classic drum machines and some affordable digital pianos/controllers.)

Not that I was really into Moog's hardware pricing before, but at least they were forging their own path and doing some interesting things, from the Moog One monster synth to iOS apps like Animoog. I expect employee ownership gave them more freedom to pursue their own destiny rather than following the herd.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Post by P_I_Staker » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 3:01 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #204

P_I_Staker wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the answer is no. They may be more prevalent and widely adopted, but there's essentially no point in owning a hardware synth. It's been heading this way for a while, but the 5 years or so has really seen software modelling synths become almost free from drawbacks compared to soft synths. I say this as someone that loathes soft synths, and loves playing with the hard synths. I absolutely despise the mouse inte…

> but there's essentially no point in owning a hardware synth. Not exactly. Some hardware synths are performance instruments in their own right. Something like the Expressive E Osmose, Roli Seaboard or Continuum Fingerboard are useful for their input capabilities, not for their synthesis methodology. Also music is still often performed live and you're not going to get an organ's featureset out of software and a gener…

Yeah, I somewhat covered this, but that's a good point. I talked about the utility of being able to touch and interact with music.

I just wasn't think about the innovative control surfaces. There's no point from a audio engineering / sound design perspective. It's purely about UI.