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Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by ehnto »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #106
tacker2000 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly my words! The only thing that I would single out here as actual progress is the container thing. This really has helped me a lot, with local dev and deployment. I havent touched any orchestration like k8s yet though, so I am still on the “lite” side.

Totally agreed on containers but I’ve noticed so many developers promptly ignore using the containers that are set up for them when developing locally. Then days are wasted again on deployment issues down the road.

The issue I always run into is that containers don't get maintained. I have never encountered a project where a container "just worked".

I absolutely love them when they do, but they have wasted so much of my time when they don't that I just skip them now. It takes me 5 minutes to set up a local env, and with a staging env at parity with production to test on there's never any issues.

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by pmarreck »

sametmax wrote: post #43

I like the fact minimalist approaches, like svelte, htmx and alpine.js are getting more and more traction. I felt like fighting this fight alone for years in the golden years of node, webpack and react where everybody was creating crazy stacks and adding GraphQL and so on, to basically get what Django + jquery did 10 years ago in a tenth of the time and code. So far I also survived: - xml is the future - let's use no…

Ha, tell me you've been a full stack dev for over 10 years without actually doing so... ;)

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by pmarreck »

jonatron wrote: post #48
sametmax wrote: post #43

I like the fact minimalist approaches, like svelte, htmx and alpine.js are getting more and more traction. I felt like fighting this fight alone for years in the golden years of node, webpack and react where everybody was creating crazy stacks and adding GraphQL and so on, to basically get what Django + jquery did 10 years ago in a tenth of the time and code. So far I also survived: - xml is the future - let's use no…

There's a HN world of what's gaining traction and what "everybody" is using, and the real world reality. If I search for Django jobs on indeed, I get way more results for Django than if I search for Svelte (183:11). If I ctrl+f on "Who is Hiring?", the ratio gets a lot closer (13:4).

Chasing what's popular right now is a recipe for ending up in a has-been tech

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by tacker2000 »

ehnto wrote: post #151
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agreed on containers but I’ve noticed so many developers promptly ignore using the containers that are set up for them when developing locally. Then days are wasted again on deployment issues down the road.

The issue I always run into is that containers don't get maintained. I have never encountered a project where a container "just worked". I absolutely love them when they do, but they have wasted so much of my time when they don't that I just skip them now. It takes me 5 minutes to set up a local env, and with a staging env at parity with production to test on there's never any issues.

Do you mean you skip the project’s container config and set up your own? Or just skip containers entirely?

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by devbent »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #123
cageface wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Svelte but I’m not sure I’d describe it as “minimalist”. It’s a new language with its own compiler and reactivity system.

Yeah, I did a project in sveltekit + go and then one in htmx, alpinejs + golang. Sveltekit is quite big and not low maintenance. Not sure what exact use case sveltekit would be good for, that can't be solved with htmx + alpinejs.

Svelte by itself is super tiny.

Sveltekit does a lot more stuff and is accordingly bigger.

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by devbent »

hbbio wrote: post #6

As the author states, ... Svelte Stores are rough. Beyond just missing usage patterns and documentation, we found that several features are lacking, especially when used with native reactivity (`$:`). Another area lacking is TypeScript support. Our frontend codebase at OKcontract is implemented with Svelte, but we had to build some low-level libraries (including a wholly new implementation of Stores) to make it worth…

What is wrong with svelte stores? I've found them to be incredibly powerful and much easier than dealing with redux.

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by benmccann »

scosman wrote: post #84
cetra3 wrote: post #7

I've moved my little hobby website to SvelteKit[1] from react and I am not regretting it.. yet. The only main frustrations I have are: - Library support is pretty lousy. You need to fudge things around to get working. I.e, with leaflet and others I have vendored in the libs and redone them. - Incremental static refresh with svelte kit is not really there. I'd like a web hook or api callback that allows me to refresh…

Giant +1 to everything being named “+page.svelte” being painful. It clashes with every dev environment I’ve tried (vim tabs, vs code).

I haven't had much trouble in VS Code since it shows the directory name just after the file name. Some people have mentioned liking to set the editor tab label format to short. Go to File > Preferences > Settings then search for Label Format.

I'm hoping https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/41909 will get implemented so we can make the problem go away entirely

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by benmccann »

gl-prod wrote: post #36
cetra3 wrote: post #7

I've moved my little hobby website to SvelteKit[1] from react and I am not regretting it.. yet. The only main frustrations I have are: - Library support is pretty lousy. You need to fudge things around to get working. I.e, with leaflet and others I have vendored in the libs and redone them. - Incremental static refresh with svelte kit is not really there. I'd like a web hook or api callback that allows me to refresh…

I know the routing isn't the easiest, but I find myself navigating with CTRL+P and typing the route I want to work on.

How would you otherwise navigate that you find difficult with SvelteKit?

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by benmccann »

madacol wrote: post #38
cetra3 wrote: post #7

I've moved my little hobby website to SvelteKit[1] from react and I am not regretting it.. yet. The only main frustrations I have are: - Library support is pretty lousy. You need to fudge things around to get working. I.e, with leaflet and others I have vendored in the libs and redone them. - Incremental static refresh with svelte kit is not really there. I'd like a web hook or api callback that allows me to refresh…

> It's really hard when you have an editor open with 5 `+page.svelte` files. +1. I've been pushed to change tabs using `Ctrl+P` instead (search tab command) and write its route (folder's name). But it's still a bit painful

Can you clarify how you would normally switch tabs and why that's difficult? If I open up a bunch of `+page.svelte` files I see them as "+page.svelte ../docs" or "+page.svelte ../blog" and so it's fairly obvious which one is which to me. Longer-term, I think we can tweak VS Code to get rid of the duplicate "+page.svelte" part as it is duplicative and unnecessary, but I don't find it unworkable at the moment. I'm wondering if it's simply that we have different tolerances for this or if there's something else going on in some cases.

Some people have mentioned liking to set the label format to short under File > Preferences > Settings and then search for Label Format.

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Post by nop_slide »

cetra3 wrote: post #7

I've moved my little hobby website to SvelteKit[1] from react and I am not regretting it.. yet. The only main frustrations I have are: - Library support is pretty lousy. You need to fudge things around to get working. I.e, with leaflet and others I have vendored in the libs and redone them. - Incremental static refresh with svelte kit is not really there. I'd like a web hook or api callback that allows me to refresh…

Cool site!

I just looked through your repo. I'm still relatively new to SvelteKit and rewriting a similar content based site from React.

What led you to use the SSG adapter vs the node adapter (which uses SSR)?

How long does the build take to pre-render all of your content pages like the sea life?

Was there a particular reason you didn't want to use Form Actions?

Not criticizing your decisions by the way, I'm mostly just curious about the decisions others make to learn something myself :)

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