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Re: Svelte 4

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Post by bananapub »

solarkraft wrote: post #22

Time for a very naive question. As somebody looking for a more effcient (less re-rendering) and nicer DX (template based, stuff like exit animations) alternative to React, what actually makes Svelte measurably better than Vue? On first (and very naive) look the two seem pretty similar, with the biggest difference being that Vue seems to have the much bigger ecosystem and more mature tooling (I keep hearing about Svel…

> I keep hearing about Svelte's flavor of JS basically being its own language now and it not playing all that well with Typescript

it's a weird habit on HN to refer to random rumours that have discouraged you from trying something, and then explicitly not link to even the source of the random thing you're thinking of.

I would guess you're misremembering something about the *developers of Svelte* saying they didn't think Typescript was worth it for *developing libraries*, and so they were switching to using JSDoc annotations for developing Svelte, which has no impact at all on Typescript or Svelte or Svelte users using Typescript?

e.g. https://devclass.com/2023/05/11/typescript-is-not-worth-it-f...

anyway, Svelte is fairly similar to Vue, just a subjectively slightly nicer style. do both tutorials and see which you like I guess?

Re: Svelte 4

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Post by sebastianconcpt »

nu11ptr wrote: post #13

Could someone give a one or two sentence explanation of why I would want to use Svelte over something like React? I have heard it is "better", but have never understood why.

It feels a lot more enjoyable and productive. The productivity flow is fantastic for me.

Re: Svelte 4

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Post by sebastianconcpt »

kevinak wrote: post #15
nu11ptr wrote: post #13

Could someone give a one or two sentence explanation of why I would want to use Svelte over something like React? I have heard it is "better", but have never understood why.

Most folks would probably say "it's faster" but I think the real upside of using Svelte is the DX. It's just massively simpler and way easier to be productive.

Agree it's about DX and productivity flow.

Re: Svelte 4

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Post by sebastianconcpt »

CharlesW wrote: post #20
WhereDoesThisGo wrote: post #7

In order from most favorite to least favorite: StencilJS SolidJS Svelte React Vue Angular

I just rebuilt a web app in Vue (and Vite), and first-class Single File Components are the dream. Is there anything that even approaches that simply joyful DX?

Rebuilt with that but coming from which stack?

Re: Svelte 4

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Post by adamnemecek »

solarkraft wrote: post #22

Time for a very naive question. As somebody looking for a more effcient (less re-rendering) and nicer DX (template based, stuff like exit animations) alternative to React, what actually makes Svelte measurably better than Vue? On first (and very naive) look the two seem pretty similar, with the biggest difference being that Vue seems to have the much bigger ecosystem and more mature tooling (I keep hearing about Svel…

I have little experience with Vue but to me Vue is very similar to React.

What sold me on svelte is the fact that I learned like all of it in maybe 3 hours. I have tried to pick up React here and there and I get the fundamentals but I hate that you need an architecture framework, a router framework etc. Svelte has a standard way of doing that.

Writing Svelte, I actually had "fun" building stuff, I can't say the same thing about my React attempts.

Re: Svelte 4

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Post by foxandmouse »

I've recently embraced Svelte for my side-projects, hackathons, and personal endeavors, and I must say, I'm absolutely enamored with its developer experience (DX) when compared to React. If you're interested, I've shared some of my thoughts about this on my personal website: https://www.kabirsewani.com/blog/why-svelte . (However, if personal links are not permitted, I'd be more than happy to provide a brief summary instead.)

Re: Svelte 4

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Post by bodge5000 »

What an odd coincidence, after seeing Svelte for years I decided to actually try it for the first time yesterday, and now this drops. To be honest the timing of this is actually kind of a shame (just for me) as I haven't used it nearly enough to be particularly excited about this, but seeing as Svelte 3 was 4 years ago, I doubt I'll see another one anytime soon.

All sounds great anyway, congrats to the team!

Re: Svelte 4

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Post by johnfn »

bananapub wrote: post #31
solarkraft wrote: post #22

Time for a very naive question. As somebody looking for a more effcient (less re-rendering) and nicer DX (template based, stuff like exit animations) alternative to React, what actually makes Svelte measurably better than Vue? On first (and very naive) look the two seem pretty similar, with the biggest difference being that Vue seems to have the much bigger ecosystem and more mature tooling (I keep hearing about Svel…

> I keep hearing about Svelte's flavor of JS basically being its own language now and it not playing all that well with Typescript it's a weird habit on HN to refer to random rumours that have discouraged you from trying something, and then explicitly not link to even the source of the random thing you're thinking of. I would guess you're misremembering something about the *developers of Svelte* saying they didn't th…

But Svelte obviously doesn't play well with TypeScript, and is kind of its own language - you don't need a source for that. Good luck e.g. getting reactive declarations to play well with TS's type narrowing or null analysis.
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