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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by bsimpson »

unconed wrote: post #63
speeder wrote: post #35

I see a lot of people here forgetting a real case of CoC abuse. There was this famous Drupal dev that wrote a transcript of a fetish wedding on his fetish social media profile. An enemy of his on Drupal quoted that transcript and used it as examples the Dev should be punished. Drupal, like GCC proposed rules, allow punishment of someone for something they did outside the community, and not only the guy was punished,…

And not only that: when the committee for enforcing the CoC decided the CoC wasn't actually violated, the entire witch hunt continued with more and more made up reasons why this person was bad and deserved to be punished. This included the project lead writing blog posts and then silently editing them afterwards. It was never about the rules, only about creating a body of people with the aurhority to act like total c…

"We welcome everyone, except the people we don't welcome."

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by phpisthebest »

speeder wrote: post #35

I see a lot of people here forgetting a real case of CoC abuse. There was this famous Drupal dev that wrote a transcript of a fetish wedding on his fetish social media profile. An enemy of his on Drupal quoted that transcript and used it as examples the Dev should be punished. Drupal, like GCC proposed rules, allow punishment of someone for something they did outside the community, and not only the guy was punished,…

In most instances it is not the rules that are the problem, it is the people enforcing the rules that is the problem

Power Corrupts, and any time you give a group of humans power over another group of humans they will abuse that power. EVERY TIME.

No human can resist, and it an immutable law of psychology. Power Corrupts and will be abused.

CoC's formalize this power, and result of which is inevitable

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by asylteltine »

mbStavola wrote: post #33
commitpizza wrote: post #30

I can't wait until the silent majority stops being silent and throws out CoC and their people from projects. It is seriously a toxic thing that creates debates over stuff where there is no need for it to be a debate to begin with.

How do you know the silent majority aren't in favor of CoCs?

Because you can gauge it by how many people complain vs how few people push it through. It’s a tiny minority of people who are zealots about a CoC which is why I intentionally exclude them from my project especially the absolute disaster covenant code of conduct made by a poser on a power trip

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by asylteltine »

commitpizza wrote: post #30

I can't wait until the silent majority stops being silent and throws out CoC and their people from projects. It is seriously a toxic thing that creates debates over stuff where there is no need for it to be a debate to begin with.

Me too. I wish big projects just told those people to shut up

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by commandlinefan »

practice9 wrote: post #58
speeder wrote: post #35

I see a lot of people here forgetting a real case of CoC abuse. There was this famous Drupal dev that wrote a transcript of a fetish wedding on his fetish social media profile. An enemy of his on Drupal quoted that transcript and used it as examples the Dev should be punished. Drupal, like GCC proposed rules, allow punishment of someone for something they did outside the community, and not only the guy was punished,…

> Drupal, like GCC proposed rules, allow punishment of someone for something they did outside the community, and not only the guy was punished, an ex girlfriend of his was harassed by "helpful" people Oh wow. I was undecided about the helpfulness of CoC as sometimes people in the project can become hostile, unstable or passive-aggressive. But this case is very bad. Seems like CoC opens up ways for character assassina…

> CoC opens up ways for character assassination

Has it ever been used in any other way?

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by Verdex »

unconed wrote: post #63
speeder wrote: post #35

I see a lot of people here forgetting a real case of CoC abuse. There was this famous Drupal dev that wrote a transcript of a fetish wedding on his fetish social media profile. An enemy of his on Drupal quoted that transcript and used it as examples the Dev should be punished. Drupal, like GCC proposed rules, allow punishment of someone for something they did outside the community, and not only the guy was punished,…

And not only that: when the committee for enforcing the CoC decided the CoC wasn't actually violated, the entire witch hunt continued with more and more made up reasons why this person was bad and deserved to be punished. This included the project lead writing blog posts and then silently editing them afterwards. It was never about the rules, only about creating a body of people with the aurhority to act like total c…

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S. Lewis

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by asylteltine »

Akronymus wrote: post #32

Overall it seems like a pretty decent CoC. Altough, I am REALLY not a fan of this line: "In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may affect a person's ability to participate within them." I fear that that stipulation will be used to try and kick out people for holding "bad" opinions outside of the project. Like what was tried with Elia Schito.

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by phpisthebest »

JonChesterfield wrote: post #6
not_your_vase wrote: post #2

Has there been any project which had its community change its conduct after adopting a CoC? Or any projects which had a profound impact due a CoC? I see that having CoC is getting standard with OSS projects, old and new alike. But have no idea if it actually does anything.

Fair warning, I do not like codes of conduct. They're an authoritarian power play justified by fear. Codes of conduct are more about changing who is in the community than about changing the conduct of existing community members. Periodically someone runs afoul of the ruling elite who pass judgement upon them behind closed doors, usually leading to excommunication. The atmosphere of knowing what you say will be report…

>>It seems to be "excluding unpopular people and ideas",

careful there you will get some very bad takes, and memes on Popper's paradox of tolerance, which has been completely bastardized to justify all manner of intolerance these days...

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by theepauk »

The only effect of a Code of Conduct I have ever personally witnessed was that people were being bullied for greeting others. The greeting they used was "hey guys", and instead of recognizing that language is fluid and different to different people they tried to impose their linguistic views on others. The people who encouraged this behavior were people on the Code of Conduct committee and at the top of the project's hierarchy, and to this day nobody has apologized for this behavior, but the behavior was silently dropped.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by IshKebab »

> This isn't an exhaustive list of things that you can or can't do. Rather, take it in the spirit in which it's intended - a guide to make it easier to enrich all of us, the project, and the broader communities in which we participate.

Very good.

> If you believe someone is violating the code of conduct, we ask that you report it by emailing conduct@gcc.gnu.org.

What happened to "a guide to make it easier to enrich all of us"?

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