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Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Then it would only be fair if abortion clinics show up on any searches for pediatricians, anything related to birth preparation, schools and the like.

False equivalence. Killing something and trying to stop someone from killing something is not the same.

That anyone is killed in an abortion is a minority opinion. Some thing, however, is also killed every time you wash your hands.

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The analogy would work if suicide was legal and desirable and there were reputable suicide services a la Futurama.

1. When you say "desirable" here you're speaking relatively. Abortion isn't intrinsically something that the vast majority of women want, what they want is to not be pregnant for one reason or another. 2. Many, many people have middle-of-the-road opinions about abortion. Nudging them into carrying the human to term and giving it up for adoption isn't akin to selling fake services, it's more akin to organ donation.

Go to r/RegretfulParents and read about some of the stories of women who wanted abortions and were manipulated by these places at a vulnerable time in their life. It’s pretty horrifying.

Most of these places won’t help a lick once the baby is actually born.

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I just googled GitHub and the top results were ads for circleci and gitlab. Buying ads for competitors keywords is extremely normal. Gitlab would love to dissuade me from using GitHub, just as a crisis pregnancy center would love to dissuade me from getting an abortion.

I’ve actually thought it was weird Google was allowed to advertise competitors for keyword searches. Like how is Google not leveraging GitHub’s brand to sell ads to competitors in this case?

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From my point of view, as someone who is pro life, it’s fine; it’s like showing anti-suicide line when you look for “how to kill myself” Sure the person wants to kill himself but should he .

If the fake abortion centers advertised with a similar, up front, "why you shouldn't" message, it wouldn't be unethical. Their current practice is fraudulent.

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> facilities that use various tactics to dissuade or delay pregnant people from getting an abortion.

These "tactics" include the heinous acts of providing emotional support, helping give mother's in need access to local resources, providing food and clothing, and more despicable alternatives to the ending of a child's life.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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From my point of view, as someone who is pro life, it’s fine; it’s like showing anti-suicide line when you look for “how to kill myself” Sure the person wants to kill himself but should he .

Do you think abortion clinics should be advertised when people search "churches near me"?

Local humanist support groups or recommended atheist reading perhaps. Maybe a link to neutral questionnaire where you can figure how many (if any) and which gods would be suitable for you, before committing to any specific religion.

There's probably some elder god more in line with your ethics you overlooked after all.

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I just googled GitHub and the top results were ads for circleci and gitlab. Buying ads for competitors keywords is extremely normal. Gitlab would love to dissuade me from using GitHub, just as a crisis pregnancy center would love to dissuade me from getting an abortion.

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In what way are these situations comparable? If you google GitHub you’re probably looking for source control. GitLab offers source control. If you google “abortion providers” you’re looking to get an abortion. The ads you see are specifically for people who want to look like abortion providers but actually seek to stop you from getting one and don’t provide any abortion services at all. It’s like googling GitHub and…

Like searching for how to commit suicide and the top results being about dissuading you from it?

Notably, Kagi considered but declined to implement this functionality, out of principle (basically the very principle we're debating right here).

https://kagifeedback.org/d/865-suicide-results-should-probab...

("Suicide results should probably have a "don't do that" widget like google")

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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> facilities that use various tactics to dissuade or delay pregnant people from getting an abortion. These "tactics" include the heinous acts of providing emotional support, helping give mother's in need access to local resources, providing food and clothing, and more despicable alternatives to the ending of a child's life.

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