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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by sasmithjr »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #16
kramerger wrote: post #9

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What if you believe that only married male-female couples should have sex and children? Or that people with penises don't belong in womens spaces? Or whatever other currently controversial topic? It has nothing to do with GCC, nothing with code quality, nothing with your contributions to the project, you don't say that in code, in code comments, on gcc mailing lists, anywhere gcc related. But, because of the CoC ( ht…

> because the CoC allows this.

Project owners could do this before the CoC was created, and even if the CoC explicitly disallowed it, the project owners could do it anyway. The existence of the CoC changes absolutely nothing about what the project owners can and cannot do.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by pndy »

znpy wrote: post #28
JonChesterfield wrote: post #6

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Fair warning, I do not like codes of conduct. They're an authoritarian power play justified by fear. Codes of conduct are more about changing who is in the community than about changing the conduct of existing community members. Periodically someone runs afoul of the ruling elite who pass judgement upon them behind closed doors, usually leading to excommunication. The atmosphere of knowing what you say will be report…

> deadlocks uh, i might be out of the loop, what's wrong with the word "deadlock" now ?

Perhaps the dead part which is the trigger for some? I've read recently that phrase unalive is being used as substitute of various dead, suicide related words, to avoid being auto-censored or demonetized in the social media - but that's a bit different thing, innit

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by thrw_aus »

mbStavola wrote: post #33
commitpizza wrote: post #30

I can't wait until the silent majority stops being silent and throws out CoC and their people from projects. It is seriously a toxic thing that creates debates over stuff where there is no need for it to be a debate to begin with.

How do you know the silent majority aren't in favor of CoCs?

The silent majority is too busy working to worry about issues that HR used to push down salaries 10 years ago.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

foldr wrote: post #36
Dalewyn wrote: post #31

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>I'm not sold on the idea that "violations of this code outside these spaces" is a bad thing, Let's frame it in a more relatable context. Your employer can fire you for violating the company code of conduct, despite your behaviour having absolutely nothing to do with the company or its business.

This is completely commonplace. Yes, you can be fired for doing something outside of work that would bring your employer into disrepute. If anything this used to be much more common before the era of codes of conduct, when people were, for example, routinely fired when it was discovered that they were gay.

> If anything this used to be much more common before the era of codes of conduct, when people were, for example, routinely fired when it was discovered that they were gay.

Do we really want to go back to those times?

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

foldr wrote: post #36
Dalewyn wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm not sold on the idea that "violations of this code outside these spaces" is a bad thing, Let's frame it in a more relatable context. Your employer can fire you for violating the company code of conduct, despite your behaviour having absolutely nothing to do with the company or its business.

This is completely commonplace. Yes, you can be fired for doing something outside of work that would bring your employer into disrepute. If anything this used to be much more common before the era of codes of conduct, when people were, for example, routinely fired when it was discovered that they were gay.

If you can be fired for doing something in private, then your work intrudes and takes over your personal life. If it happens, than it's a huge mistake on the part of the society, as it robs humans of their life outside of work, and turns them into half-slaves where their workplace has a say over their entire life.

Instead of continuing this practice, we should work to stop it and restore the private sphere.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by Dalewyn »

foldr wrote: post #36
Dalewyn wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm not sold on the idea that "violations of this code outside these spaces" is a bad thing, Let's frame it in a more relatable context. Your employer can fire you for violating the company code of conduct, despite your behaviour having absolutely nothing to do with the company or its business.

This is completely commonplace. Yes, you can be fired for doing something outside of work that would bring your employer into disrepute. If anything this used to be much more common before the era of codes of conduct, when people were, for example, routinely fired when it was discovered that they were gay.

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by Akronymus »

074edc15 wrote: post #24
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you believe that only married male-female couples should have sex and children? Or that people with penises don't belong in womens spaces? Or whatever other currently controversial topic? It has nothing to do with GCC, nothing with code quality, nothing with your contributions to the project, you don't say that in code, in code comments, on gcc mailing lists, anywhere gcc related. But, because of the CoC ( ht…

I'm not sold on the idea that "violations of this code outside these spaces" is a bad thing, it depends what those violations are. I'm completely happy and have spent my career working with people who's views don't always align with my own. If I have a religious co-worker who believes I will spend eternity burning in hell for my sexuality, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. They have a right to their view, I have…

>..., it depends what those violations are.

It decidedly does not. To quote Kovarex, a Factorio dev: “If Stalin had a good writeup on programming, would linking that be dangerous?” [1]

I believe VERY strongly in separating the art from the artist.

[1]https://old.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/o2ly6f/friday_fac...

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by Akronymus »

kramerger wrote: post #25
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you believe that only married male-female couples should have sex and children? Or that people with penises don't belong in womens spaces? Or whatever other currently controversial topic? It has nothing to do with GCC, nothing with code quality, nothing with your contributions to the project, you don't say that in code, in code comments, on gcc mailing lists, anywhere gcc related. But, because of the CoC ( ht…

So basically you want to go to a technical forum with a significant number of Irish members and tell them that in your opinion Irish people should not exist? Don't you see how that makes the place unwelcoming to them?? (Replace Irish with gay, trans, republican, ...)

That's not what GP advocated for, at all.

GP said that the behaviour outside of the workplace is not relevant to the workplace.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by klipt »

gorjusborg wrote: post #17
gettodachoppa wrote: post #11

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> Perhaps now the GCC project can step out of obscurity into the big leagues. This has to be parody or trolling, right?

GCC used to be the only good free compiler but I think LLVM compilers are better now. Still good to have the competition I guess.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by krona »

LexiMax wrote: post #37
mbStavola wrote: post #33

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How do you know the silent majority aren't in favor of CoCs?

They don’t. I have been away from hacker news for about 2 to 3 years and quite frankly I am shocked that this place is still having this same tired argument whereas outside it seems to be an accepted fact of life that having rules surrounding the conduct of project participants is in fact a good thing.

> it seems to be an accepted fact of life

Isn't that the problem? Accept it. Don't ask questions, or else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance

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