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#12Has there been any project which had its community change its conduct after adopting a CoC? Or any projects which had a profound impact due a CoC? I see that having CoC is getting standard with OSS projects, old and new alike. But have no idea if it actually does anything.
Fair warning, I do not like codes of conduct. They're an authoritarian power play justified by fear. Codes of conduct are more about changing who is in the community than about changing the conduct of existing community members. Periodically someone runs afoul of the ruling elite who pass judgement upon them behind closed doors, usually leading to excommunication. The atmosphere of knowing what you say will be report…
As I see it communities nowadays need a way to exclude a-holes or else the community will eventually evaporate since staying is not worth the cost of putting up with the a-holes. I say nowadays because as I see it the cost of creating a community has gone down and the number of options has increased. As a result people won't stay around in a community simply due to lack of other options. So at it's core the question is "do we have a process for doing this removal" or "do we leave it up to the pure discretion of whomever controls the block button."
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#14Has there been any project which had its community change its conduct after adopting a CoC? Or any projects which had a profound impact due a CoC? I see that having CoC is getting standard with OSS projects, old and new alike. But have no idea if it actually does anything.
Fair warning, I do not like codes of conduct. They're an authoritarian power play justified by fear. Codes of conduct are more about changing who is in the community than about changing the conduct of existing community members. Periodically someone runs afoul of the ruling elite who pass judgement upon them behind closed doors, usually leading to excommunication. The atmosphere of knowing what you say will be report…
Language is power. It is simply a power grab where people invent new language and initialisms intending to claim ownership and control of them and use them as a tool to, like you say, exclude people.
DI became DEI became DEIB in less than a decade. They are working on new initials as we speak, to confuse and demoralize anyone who opposes this make-it-up-as-we-go-along sophistry. Inventing all of this language infrastructure around what used to just be the Golden Rule is clear nonsense.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair warning, I do not like codes of conduct. They're an authoritarian power play justified by fear. Codes of conduct are more about changing who is in the community than about changing the conduct of existing community members. Periodically someone runs afoul of the ruling elite who pass judgement upon them behind closed doors, usually leading to excommunication. The atmosphere of knowing what you say will be report…
> One guy says "the first example deadlocks", and that makes someone feel uncomfortable, properly fixed by kicking him out of the conference. Oh, please. That's just unfounded FUD-spreading.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair warning, I do not like codes of conduct. They're an authoritarian power play justified by fear. Codes of conduct are more about changing who is in the community than about changing the conduct of existing community members. Periodically someone runs afoul of the ruling elite who pass judgement upon them behind closed doors, usually leading to excommunication. The atmosphere of knowing what you say will be report…
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What if you believe that only married male-female couples should have sex and children? Or that people with penises don't belong in womens spaces? Or whatever other currently controversial topic?
It has nothing to do with GCC, nothing with code quality, nothing with your contributions to the project, you don't say that in code, in code comments, on gcc mailing lists, anywhere gcc related.
But, because of the CoC ( https://gcc.gnu.org/conduct.html ), which says:
> This code of conduct applies to all spaces managed by the GCC project. This includes IRC, the mailing lists, the issue tracker, events, and any other forums created by the project team which the community uses for communication.
(this ^ part is ok, you should behave like a professional when dealing with stuff like this; general (non-gcc-related) politics or whatever non-gcc-related doesn't belong in GCC mailing lists)
> In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may affect a person's ability to participate within them.
But this part changes everything, and makes CoCs like this one a bad thing.
Been on a (eg.) Trump rally in your free time, unrelated to anything GCC? Some overzelaous CoC enforcer bans you, and it's "totally fine", because the CoC allows this.
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> Perhaps now the GCC project can step out of obscurity into the big leagues.
This has to be parody or trolling, right?
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> Perhaps now the GCC project can step out of obscurity into the big leagues. This has to be parody or trolling, right?
Considering that GCC is basically a super obscure project with near-zero users and no previous history, it sounds pretty accurate to me. I mean, the project could disappear overnight and no one would notice.