I'm so confused by the love of discord.
Maybe I'm dating myself but Can someone explain to me why it's better than traditional forum plus some VoIP like teamspeak?
Discord monetization: microtransaction stores and paid 'exclusive memes'
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It's very easy, they created a product that was better than the alternatives. It's better than forums, it's better than IRC, it's better than teamspeak, and the list goes on. Turns out it's a pretty easy product to make, too - as long as you are willing to burn money.
Better than Teamspeak, yes. Better than IRC? Eh, I guess so. But let's chat about that "better than forums" supposition. - Forums are easy for search engines to index - Old threads on forums are easily discoverable - Forums have good threading in general - Individual forums are completely independent of each other (if one goes down, the others don't care) - It's easy to have completely different identities on differe…
It doesn't but most users don't care. Just like forum users would be like "nvm fixed it" without considering anyone else.
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Better than Teamspeak, yes. Better than IRC? Eh, I guess so. But let's chat about that "better than forums" supposition. - Forums are easy for search engines to index - Old threads on forums are easily discoverable - Forums have good threading in general - Individual forums are completely independent of each other (if one goes down, the others don't care) - It's easy to have completely different identities on differe…
It doesn't but most users don't care. Just like forum users would be like "nvm fixed it" without considering anyone else.
I'd argue that the use case and the target audience are different.
Also - the "nvm fixed it" types are not universal to all forums. They just tend to hit the technical forums.
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Discord is really bad as a forum. It's just not made for this purpose.
When people say Discord is bad as a forum I'm reminded of Ford's quote "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses"
I think Discord is well placed as an ephemeral chat environment, but really bad as a sort of community knowledge database or even for discourse (something that goes beyond flame wars of course, both do fine on that front).
Re: Discord monetization: microtransaction stores and paid 'exclusive memes'
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It's very easy, they created a product that was better than the alternatives. It's better than forums, it's better than IRC, it's better than teamspeak, and the list goes on. Turns out it's a pretty easy product to make, too - as long as you are willing to burn money.
Better than Teamspeak, yes. Better than IRC? Eh, I guess so. But let's chat about that "better than forums" supposition. - Forums are easy for search engines to index - Old threads on forums are easily discoverable - Forums have good threading in general - Individual forums are completely independent of each other (if one goes down, the others don't care) - It's easy to have completely different identities on differe…
You failed at assuming that Discord users want their messages to be googleable
Re: Discord monetization: microtransaction stores and paid 'exclusive memes'
#26I think there's a real market for a non-profit discord-like platform on the open web, especially with all the reddit drama going on.
Part of me wants to build this. The larger part knows I'll never ship a game when I keep letting web projects get into the way.
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#27I'm so confused by the love of discord. Maybe I'm dating myself but Can someone explain to me why it's better than traditional forum plus some VoIP like teamspeak?
Ive used voips like mumble ts ventrilo (still had 2.1.4 exe on disk week ago) skype teams for like 15 years
Discord was first to provide:
Strong chat, voip, file share, video streaming and bots in one solution
Lack of user hosted servers security mess - have you ever been DDoSd or stalked because you changed teams in MMORPG?
In compare to enterprise shit: push2talk
Also: identity per "server"
Easy to invite: link instead of ip port
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#28I say this as a (begrudging) discord user : I don't know what they (Discord) did right to get communities to lock up all of their community and data into such a hard-to-index walled garden. People compared the loss of what.cd to the burning of the Library of Alexandria. While I do think that was an exaggeration at the time, I worry about the loss of effort and 'thought-power' when the discord walls get even taller th…
I'm not entirely sure people even want the content to be discoverable by search engines. Or care for that matter.
Discord is great for running community with multiple chat channels and occasional voice chats. Like any chat communication it is accepted that it is ephemeral. Not that often accessed or searched for.
Re: Discord monetization: microtransaction stores and paid 'exclusive memes'
#29I say this as a (begrudging) discord user : I don't know what they (Discord) did right to get communities to lock up all of their community and data into such a hard-to-index walled garden. People compared the loss of what.cd to the burning of the Library of Alexandria. While I do think that was an exaggeration at the time, I worry about the loss of effort and 'thought-power' when the discord walls get even taller th…
It's very easy, they created a product that was better than the alternatives. It's better than forums, it's better than IRC, it's better than teamspeak, and the list goes on. Turns out it's a pretty easy product to make, too - as long as you are willing to burn money.
My friends and I still use IRC (for text) and mumble(for voice chat), I'm guessing as long as they are still maintained or if the source still compiles, we'll probably keep using them.
The discord interface suffers from modern design syndrome, the information density isn't there. I open it and see inline images/gifs, link previews, reactions etc. There's a bunch of padding and avatars around each message. I know some people consider those things features, but I personally hate them.
Mumble has much higher quality and lower latency than discord, but that's probably a matter of configuration and server location.
No limitations on what you can do with bots either. We do all sorts of stupid shit with irc -> mumble text-to-speech along with our music bot and clip soundboard. I'm guessing it's probably possible to recreate it all on discord, but I can't imagine rewriting it all.
I suspect the Discord API's are significantly more complicated than irc/mumble.
Re: Discord monetization: microtransaction stores and paid 'exclusive memes'
#30I'm so confused by the love of discord. Maybe I'm dating myself but Can someone explain to me why it's better than traditional forum plus some VoIP like teamspeak?
It's not better, it's an alternative that's easy to use and a lot of people jumped on. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. You get easy chat and voice for free.