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Maps distort how we see the world

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Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#261

With the advent of the paperless office, the increasing ubiquity of screens, and the steady progress in 3D rendering performance – there will soon be little need for 2D map projections. We just render the Earth as a sphere and do some perspective projection.

Screens are still flat, so it would still be a 2d projection.

Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#262
I have a globe. But even that doesn't show the true distortion, which is that the Earth is wrinkled. For example, Korea is mountainous and so its actual surface area is much greater than its apparent surface area when looking at either a map or a globe.

Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#263
post #24

Every flat map projection distorts something, so every projection has to optimize some parameter and trade off other utility. I'm constantly amazed at how hung up people are on apparent size of countries. If size is your thing, use some other projection! Mercator is and remains popular because it preserves local angles and shapes, which makes it simple use this projection to navigate by rhumb lines (compass headings)…

>If size is your thing, use some other projection!

They're not complaining about what they can use for themselves.

They are complaining about what is in mainstream use (in schools, websites, books, documentaries, and so on) and thus what kinds of perception people get.

Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what you're saying. The article doesn't present this as a crisis. It doesn't really make sense to say it's okay or not okay, except insofar as anything that isn't an existential threat is okay, I suppose.

The second sentence of the article strongly implies some nefarious concentration of power and wealth among the globally powerful countries is at the root of the popularity of mercator projections.

Well, they is a "nefarious concentration of power and wealth among the globally powerful countries". And the Mercator projection does suit them practically, and shows their countries bigger than they are, so...

Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#265

There was a memorable scene from "The West Wing" on the biases imposed by most map projections, in particular, how Mercator makes North America look huge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqC3FNNOaI

This clip is always hilarious to me. Smugly declares "it's where you've been living this whole time," as he stands in front of a projection that is just as flawed, as all projections are, as the Mercator. The only priority of that map projection is attempting to account for the accurate area of landmasses, sacrificing correct shape of landmasses, as well as a ton of navigational utility. A globe is the only correct p…

> as well as a ton of navigational utility

Surely this utility was only ever useful for sailors, and these days not even them?

Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#266
post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Generally, the larger and more populous countries tend to be the most powerful and influential. But this is obviously not true. Just look at the list of top 10 by GDP and check out how many of them are relatively small. I mean you have to have natural resources and can’t be tiny, but it’s not like Germany and Japan are powerful because of their landmass. I think judging countries by their size is a mistake in ratio…

> But this is obviously not true. Just look at the list of top 10 by GDP and check out how many of them are relatively small. There absolutely is a correlation between land mass and nominal GDP.

Assuming I've converted [1] and [2] correctly into this SQLite3 database and queried it correctly, not really, no.

    |      name      | gdp_pos |   gdp    | land_pos |  land   |
    |----------------|---------|----------|----------|---------|
    | United States  | 1       | 26854599 | 4        | 9147593 |
    | China          | 2       | 19373586 | 3        | 9596961 |
    | Japan          | 3       | 4409738  | 62       | 377976  |
    | Germany        | 4       | 4308854  | 63       | 357114  |
    | India          | 5       | 3736882  | 7        | 3287263 |
    | United Kingdom | 6       | 3158938  | 79       | 242495  |
    | France         | 7       | 2923489  | 49       | 543940  |
    | Italy          | 8       | 2169745  | 72       | 301339  |
    | Canada         | 9       | 2089672  | 2        | 9984670 |
    | Brazil         | 10      | 2081235  | 5        | 8515767 |
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen...

Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#267
post #141

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Agree. Most of the general-public wall maps I see out there use equal-area projs.

Really? In my entire lifetime I’ve seen maybe five? Including the one hanging up in my childhood home. Even Google Maps uses Mercator by default.

I had mostly seen this projection, until i grew up.

https://www.nationsonline.org/maps/Political-World-Map-3360....

Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#268
post #24

Every flat map projection distorts something, so every projection has to optimize some parameter and trade off other utility. I'm constantly amazed at how hung up people are on apparent size of countries. If size is your thing, use some other projection! Mercator is and remains popular because it preserves local angles and shapes, which makes it simple use this projection to navigate by rhumb lines (compass headings)…

Feels like you're pretending that Amero-Eurocentrism is not a thing, that there is no agenda or bias to be examined or criticized. If you've ever played Risk, the Amero-Eurocentrism is extreme. https://cdn.matthewhaeck.com/content/images/2015/02/risk.jpg https://freeprintableaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/risk-... North America: 9 territories, larger than Africa. Europe: 7 territories, as large as Africa. USA: 3 t…

The fact that you had to pick an example from a casual board game from 1957 kind-of shows how much of a non-issue this is.

Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#269
post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second sentence of the article strongly implies some nefarious concentration of power and wealth among the globally powerful countries is at the root of the popularity of mercator projections.

That is entirely on you tho. Becasuse that sentence does not imply anything about concentration of power nor about globally powerful countries and even nothing about origin of popularity of mercator projections. It does imply that poor countries around equator are bigger then they look like. That is it.

It literally does. Dont play ignorant.

Re: Maps distort how we see the world

#270
It's a comprehensive telling of something that's becoming more commonly known. There's little sinister intent, more a giving readers information to conclude themselves. Some countries, Japan and USA come to mind, put themselves at the centre of 'their' world maps. Also, the distorted headshot is incredibly demonstrative. And seeing how much different sizes appear if you alter the orientation.
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