I don't doubt that some "real people who do real work" will be turned off by the appearance of the Cybertruck. However I am confident it will have the best specs for the price of any EV truck and so some "real people who do real work" will buy the Cybertruck as the best choice.
Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'
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Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Physics dictates that mass has a significant impact on safety. Especially for people outside the big-ass truck.
That's a hard sell when the curb weight of a Tesla Model Y is identical to a Ford F-150 5.0L V8 SuperCab with 6.5-ft bed.
That’s fair. The Tesla is too heavy as well.
[dreams about “fun” cars like my old 2200lb Miata]
Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'
#83I was working at Microsoft when Steve Ballmer said "No one is going to spend $500 on a phone" in response the iPhone. It's okay to own a truck even if you don't work on a farm. I own an f150 because it has way more legroom in the back than any SUV, it can haul my mountain bikes, and it's easy to haul stuff I buy from costco and home depot. Most of the time the back is empty. I don't think it makes me a horrible perso…
You used word 'haul' in context of transporting ~10-20kg, twice.
Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'
#84"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.
> "I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." "I don't make trucks regular people want... I make trucks for people who want to spend lots of money" – a more accurate statement, I think. Also amusing coming from the CEO of a brand who's electric truck starts at $60,000 for a "work truck" with vinyl seats, and climbs to nearly $10…
> "I don't make trucks regular people want... I make trucks for people who want to spend lots of money" – a more accurate statement, I think.
I don’t think these people want to spend lots of money. It’s just that this is all that’s on the market in North America.
Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Physics dictates that mass has a significant impact on safety. Especially for people outside the big-ass truck.
> Physics dictates that mass has a significant impact on safety I suspect that once you have enough mass though then it is velocity that determines the impact on safety. Getting hit at 50 mph by a Ford F-150 that has a total mass (truck plus cargo) of 9000 pounds is not going to be much more harmful to a pedestrian than getting hit by a similar shaped truck at the same speed that has half that mass. Similarly on the…
True. Rivians scare me, as a pedestrian and cyclist. Not only heavy, but blazingly fast. In 5 years when they get handed down to teenagers, well, shit.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Physics dictates that mass has a significant impact on safety I suspect that once you have enough mass though then it is velocity that determines the impact on safety. Getting hit at 50 mph by a Ford F-150 that has a total mass (truck plus cargo) of 9000 pounds is not going to be much more harmful to a pedestrian than getting hit by a similar shaped truck at the same speed that has half that mass. Similarly on the…
True. Rivians scare me, as a pedestrian and cyclist. Not only heavy, but blazingly fast. In 5 years when they get handed down to teenagers, well, shit.
If biking or walking I'd worry less about a heavy new car than an old car that doesn't have automatic emergency braking.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a hard sell when the curb weight of a Tesla Model Y is identical to a Ford F-150 5.0L V8 SuperCab with 6.5-ft bed.
That’s fair. The Tesla is too heavy as well. [dreams about “fun” cars like my old 2200lb Miata]
"Too heavy" in some sense, but the engineering trade off is a pretty good one!
Your average Tesla is about:
- 1.9x as heavy as the Miata
- 4.3x as energy efficient as the Miata
- 1.7x faster acceleration vs Miata
- 0.2x the emissions of the Miata on a typical power mix (0x on solar)
Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'
#88we are starting to see videos of this cybertruck driving around. On first impression it looks kinda like a Honda Ridgeline, hopefully it isn't as lame in real life. That giant single windshield wiper is nifty though.
It's maybe half again the size of a Ridgeline, though.
If thats the case, its going to look bad parked next to the incumbent trucks. The newest ones seem pretty huge from observing in real life (although I haven't measured tbh).
I just hope the truck is actually strong and robust because people like this guy are going to test it and if its not strong then I just know the Tesla fanboys will go to war
[1]:https://youtu.be/D-CVbAfJP-Y?t=278
The gold standard of trucks the tesla will probably be compared to: [2]:https://youtu.be/Yl1FNX08HFc?t=414
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Why not regulate safety instead of size?
The two are roughly the same. A big truck is more deadly to smaller vehicles and we shouldn't make it unsafe to drive a regular sized car instead of one of these monstrously large trucks. You could regulate things like requiring stop gates on trucks like semi trucks have though, which would at least help.
This would leave the main problems of lower visibility and the higher mass creating a higher more dangerous impact for other cars and pedestrians.
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// The same can't really be said for a suburban parent driving a couple of kids to soccer practice in a giant truck vs. the station wagons of the past. Is it possible that these parents are seeing some utility that isn't obvious to you, and then buy the vehicles based on that utility? As someone who had a compact car in college, then was a car-less New Yorker for 20 years, and now is a dad of two with an SUV, the uti…
I'm not sure you need an SUV to take care of a family of four, but a lot of people in America specifically seem to feel that way. Elsewhere I guess the standards for comfort are different.
You definitely don't need anything - you can raise kids in the woods as our ancestors did.
But I don't think large vehicles an American thing, it's a wealth thing.
Eg in Japan, which is rich, pretty much anytime you see a family with kids on the road, they were in a Toyota Alphard (look it up, never heard of it till I saw them) which are huge vs typical car.
Similarly around the world, the size of the typical family car varies with the wealth of the country (richer countries bigger cars) and likewise wealth of the individual families.
So I think the thing about the US is that our wealth and the quality/dimensions of our roads enable us to drive larger cars.