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Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by predictabl3 »

riku_iki wrote: post #242
chongli wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only for a centralized, corporate-owned system like Reddit. A volunteer-owned fediverse system can monetize via donations, Patreon-style. This changes the incentive structure: making the administrators accountable to the most invested people (power users).

> A volunteer-owned fediverse system can monetize via donations, Patreon-style does it exist and works on scale, or it is like communism where everyone will be happy, but it is never achievable and sustainable just because most of the people want money, power and free stuff.

Matrix has 20+ million users, and is federated.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by riku_iki »

predictabl3 wrote: post #441
riku_iki wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A volunteer-owned fediverse system can monetize via donations, Patreon-style does it exist and works on scale, or it is like communism where everyone will be happy, but it is never achievable and sustainable just because most of the people want money, power and free stuff.

Matrix has 20+ million users, and is federated.

ok, then reddit problem is solved. Or not because they solve different problem and need very different infra?..

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by predictabl3 »

riku_iki wrote: post #442
predictabl3 wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matrix has 20+ million users, and is federated.

ok, then reddit problem is solved. Or not because they solve different problem and need very different infra?..

There are social network UIs written for Matrix the same way ActivityPub is used for Lemmy and Mastodon and Flickr-clones. I expect these to multiply as the protocol gains more features too. Recent Matrix enhancements are about modeling content relationships, seemingly to this end.

And yes, the entire foundation structure of the platform and protocol are quite different, that's kinda the point. ActivityPub and Matrix protocol are similar in this regard. And yes the AP impls are seeing huge explosions in growth in the last 3 weeks.

Riku, I can't reply to you because this site is a joke, but I don't think I want to anyway, you don't seem to get the point, across the board. Not everything is about profit for bleep's sake. Also, I'll sign up for s month of reddit premium if you can find 3 subs that voted to re-open. Or literally any single person besides you and spez that think every single app dev is scamming, and nearly every single mod.

And no reddits infra is not a most, lmao. Their site crashes daily and runs on AWS, and every single bit of value is derived from the people you accuse of spamming - you know the ones that keep voting to keep the homepage looking like a wasteland of porn and AITA posts. You're completely out of touch.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by riku_iki »

predictabl3 wrote: post #443
riku_iki wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok, then reddit problem is solved. Or not because they solve different problem and need very different infra?..

There are social network UIs written for Matrix the same way ActivityPub is used for Lemmy and Mastodon and Flickr-clones. I expect these to multiply as the protocol gains more features too. Recent Matrix enhancements are about modeling content relationships, seemingly to this end. And yes, the entire foundation structure of the platform and protocol are quite different, that's kinda the point. ActivityPub and Matrix…

> protocol are quite different, that's kinda the point

I am not familiar with all those projects, but my understanding is that reddit's moats are:

- infra which can serve significant traffic over petabytes of content with search and recommendation on top of them

- they have bootstrapped content volume and communities

- they have monetization in place which pays for all infra and salaries

how far mentioned projects from that state?

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by narism »

riku_iki wrote: post #444
predictabl3 wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are social network UIs written for Matrix the same way ActivityPub is used for Lemmy and Mastodon and Flickr-clones. I expect these to multiply as the protocol gains more features too. Recent Matrix enhancements are about modeling content relationships, seemingly to this end. And yes, the entire foundation structure of the platform and protocol are quite different, that's kinda the point. ActivityPub and Matrix…

> protocol are quite different, that's kinda the point I am not familiar with all those projects, but my understanding is that reddit's moats are: - infra which can serve significant traffic over petabytes of content with search and recommendation on top of them - they have bootstrapped content volume and communities - they have monetization in place which pays for all infra and salaries how far mentioned projects fr…

> infra which can serve significant traffic over petabytes of content with search

Search? Reddit search is so bad it’s practically a meme. They only added the ability to search within comments (y’know, like 90% of the site) _this year_.

https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/11dgwzy/whats_up_wi...

> they have bootstrapped content volume and communities

Do you mean when the founders (including current CEO) posted as a bunch of fake users to create the illusion that it was popular?

https://venturebeat.com/social/reddit-fake-users/

> they have monetization in place which pays for all infra and salaries

How is possible if Reddit has never been profitable/reached breakeven?

https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_...

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762868/reddit-ceo-steve...

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by riku_iki »

narism wrote: post #445
riku_iki wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> protocol are quite different, that's kinda the point I am not familiar with all those projects, but my understanding is that reddit's moats are: - infra which can serve significant traffic over petabytes of content with search and recommendation on top of them - they have bootstrapped content volume and communities - they have monetization in place which pays for all infra and salaries how far mentioned projects fr…

> infra which can serve significant traffic over petabytes of content with search Search? Reddit search is so bad it’s practically a meme. They only added the ability to search within comments (y’know, like 90% of the site) _this year_. https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/11dgwzy/whats_up_wi... > they have bootstrapped content volume and communities Do you mean when the founders (including current CEO) posted as…

I don't see you refuted anything, they still have infra for lots of data with search and recommendation, bootstrapped content and communities and generate good chunk of revenue, and reaching this point will take good amount of effort for rivals.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by nullindividual »

Zetice wrote: post #383
nullindividual wrote: post #116

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It’s certainly _not_ dumb to those who are participating in the blackout. Phrasing their position in that light will cause your argument to fall on deaf ears.

Calling it dumb is a signal that you don't care if the argument falls on deaf ears.

It's clear that one cares when they inject themselves into the thread/conversation. If one did not care, one wouldn't be in this thread.
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