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Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by toss1 »

PedroBatista wrote: post #24

Maybe even for a certain type of LA people rather than most 'Silicon Valley People'. That truck is the product of an all time Elon frenzy, didn't he announced the sports car too? and people pre ordered it. Where is it? and more recently the humanoid robot. How about the " full 100% legit self driving Teslas in an year or two"? As long as those Model3 continue to get sold, Elon can continue to get away with this stuff…

>>At least the truck seems to be a reality.

It seems that "seems" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this post — the Cybrtruck is years late, still has problems, and as pointed out, a limited market. They may lose a huge amount of money if they build a production line and sales never take off. I wouldn't put it past Musk to make an "Aura Product" that is vaporware just as a marketing ploy...

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

jlmn wrote: post #14
binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

> "I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." "I don't make trucks regular people want... I make trucks for people who want to spend lots of money" – a more accurate statement, I think. Also amusing coming from the CEO of a brand who's electric truck starts at $60,000 for a "work truck" with vinyl seats, and climbs to nearly $10…

> Sounds pretty "Silicon Valley" to me, at least as far as price is concerned.

So are we going to call all EVs "Silicon Valley" now because they have expensive components? The smallest battery size for a F150 Lightning is 98 kWh. A Google search for EV battery prices shows a ton of volatility in prices due to the pandemic, but it's reasonable to assume a battery of that size is around $15,000 alone.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by staplor »

xyzelement wrote: post #41
binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

The idea that trucks are dangerous and unnecessary is pretty prevalent on HN, and I can follow the physics argument but the same argument can apply to anything (a bicycle is more dangerous than a pedestrian) Are there stats that show that these trucks cause a social problem worthy of regulation, or do we just not like the archetypical truck guy?

> The authors find that being hit by a 1,000-pound heavier vehicle results in a 47 percent increase in the baseline probability of being killed in the accident

https://www.nber.org/digest/nov11/vehicle-weight-and-automot...

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by ilyt »

binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

> We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

Just treat them exactly the same, emission standards and all, as cars, and the problem will quickly solve itself

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by dontupvoteme »

binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

>You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe.

This is a race to the bottom effect. Those old simpsons jokes revealed a sad truth of our american car based society - If you want a bigger chance of surviving an accident, you want you and your loved ones in a bigger car.

Here in Europe you rarely get to speeds where you can even get a bruise in an accident, but in the unused stretches of the autobahn, it can be pretty terrifying. Not as terrifying as driving 70mph in Florida as teenagers pass at 120 and a granny is driving 40 though.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by samwillis »

binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

A solution is to tax vehicles based on the ratio of number of seats to weight, with a massive tax premium for massively heavy vehicles.

Obviously at the moment (certainly here in the UK) there are loop holes when trucks and vans are "commercial vehicles" with different tax levels, many not used for commercial purposes. They need to be closed off, maybe include cargo volume in the equation so an oversized heavy pickup with little carrying capacity is penalised over a commercial van.

We are also overdue ending significant tax breaks for electric vehicles. We have reached the point where we are over the hump needed to shift the market to EVs.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by dylan604 »

jlmn wrote: post #14
binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

> "I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." "I don't make trucks regular people want... I make trucks for people who want to spend lots of money" – a more accurate statement, I think. Also amusing coming from the CEO of a brand who's electric truck starts at $60,000 for a "work truck" with vinyl seats, and climbs to nearly $10…

Did you see their decisions on the new Bronco making it a luxury SUV pricing it out of the realm of 98% of the population?
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