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Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by aobdev »

jlmn wrote: post #14
binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

> "I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." "I don't make trucks regular people want... I make trucks for people who want to spend lots of money" – a more accurate statement, I think. Also amusing coming from the CEO of a brand who's electric truck starts at $60,000 for a "work truck" with vinyl seats, and climbs to nearly $10…

> at least as far as price is concerned

There is a significant portion of the USA that will take on 84 month loans, make negative-equity trade-ins, or refinance their homes if it means they can get a new truck.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by [deleted] »

wilg wrote: post #8
binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

Why not regulate safety instead of size?

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Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by FireBeyond »

binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

> and make our streets less safe

Agreed, but also, the Cybertruck seems like it is going to have very similar problems for safety. The blind spots are massive, for one.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by PedroBatista »

Maybe even for a certain type of LA people rather than most 'Silicon Valley People'.

That truck is the product of an all time Elon frenzy, didn't he announced the sports car too? and people pre ordered it. Where is it? and more recently the humanoid robot.

How about the " full 100% legit self driving Teslas in an year or two"?

As long as those Model3 continue to get sold, Elon can continue to get away with this stuff. At least the truck seems to be a reality.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by FireBeyond »

jlmn wrote: post #14
binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

> "I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." "I don't make trucks regular people want... I make trucks for people who want to spend lots of money" – a more accurate statement, I think. Also amusing coming from the CEO of a brand who's electric truck starts at $60,000 for a "work truck" with vinyl seats, and climbs to nearly $10…

> Also amusing coming from the CEO of a brand who's electric truck starts at $60,000 for a "work truck" with vinyl seats, and climbs to nearly $100,000

Agreed, but if anyone thinks the CyberTruck is coming out at $39K like Elon originally promised, I have a bridge to sell you.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by ohgodplsno »

FireBeyond wrote: post #25
jlmn wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." "I don't make trucks regular people want... I make trucks for people who want to spend lots of money" – a more accurate statement, I think. Also amusing coming from the CEO of a brand who's electric truck starts at $60,000 for a "work truck" with vinyl seats, and climbs to nearly $10…

> Also amusing coming from the CEO of a brand who's electric truck starts at $60,000 for a "work truck" with vinyl seats, and climbs to nearly $100,000 Agreed, but if anyone thinks the CyberTruck is coming out at $39K like Elon originally promised, I have a bridge to sell you.

If anyone thinks the CyberTruck is coming out, I'll sell you the land for that bridge.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by boc »

timeagain wrote: post #13
alemanek wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which to be fair is the majority of the current US pickup truck market.

Yes modern pickup trucks are not useful for most work, or would be more useful in other forms. I note near me that most landscapers use older smaller Toyota trucks which are easier to reach into the bed without getting in it. Most work vehicles printed with a logo are vans, which don’t expose their cargo to the elements (or theft). These trucks do have utility for hauling trailers, but as far as I am concerned most m…

Beat-up Toyota T100s are still the landscaper vehicle of choice out west.

Large trucks that are taller can still be useful for tossing bikes and recreational toys in the back, but they are a pain for loading/unloading unless you're a very tall person. Oddly enough I did a ton of home renovation with my first-gen Honda Pilot because you could easily slide a 4x8ft piece of plywood/drywall into the back and close the tailgate. Perfect height for unloading and comes with a built-in cover for rainy trips.

That said, having a truck bed with a liner is really handy for muddy/dirty tools, gravel, organic matter, chemicals, and other stuff that you don't want smelling up your car. I definitely didn't toss that stuff into the back of the Pilot.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by wilg »

bioemerl wrote: post #11
wilg wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not regulate safety instead of size?

The two are roughly the same. A big truck is more deadly to smaller vehicles and we shouldn't make it unsafe to drive a regular sized car instead of one of these monstrously large trucks. You could regulate things like requiring stop gates on trucks like semi trucks have though, which would at least help.

I just really want to see a detailed study or article that really focuses on the details of pickup safety versus other cars, with empirical data about the different factors, how and why they differ, and ways of mitigating them. Seems like an important input for regulators. There's a lot of anti-car handwaving in discussions like this that would be good to cut through (for everybody involved).

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by rootusrootus »

subsubzero wrote: post #19
binarymax wrote: post #6

"I don't make trucks like that," Farley said. "I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that's a different kind of truck." You also make trucks that regular people don't need but buy anyway, and make our streets less safe. We need some regulation to only allow vehicles over a certain size to be commercial only.

before the Obama administrations emissions rules[1] trucks and suv's were quite small, blame the rules put out in that ruling for why trucks and suvs are so gigantic, I too am frustrated with how big they are and I own a new truck! [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-emissions-suvs-size...

Trucks were plenty big before Obama. An F150 today is largely similar dimensionally to one from, say, 2005. But it's generally lighter than a comparable version from then.
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