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Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Post by Cullinet »

legendofbrando wrote: post #326

Counter point: sure they are. Humans are highly adaptable and like other changes to information availability in the past they will adapt. This is what societal norms and cultural memes are for. “Don’t believe everything you hear” “Don’t believe what you see on TV” “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.” These are all ways that the human species uses memes and cultural norms to teach ourselves how not to f…

>Humans are highly adaptable and like other changes to information availability in the past they will adapt. This is what societal norms and cultural memes are for. “Don’t believe everything you hear” “Don’t believe what you see on TV” “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.” These are all ways that the human species uses memes and cultural norms to teach ourselves how not to fall victim to false information.

But who is parsing all the reciprocal new false and fallacios "truths" in this wonderful human way to sanitise the inputs to the next model that's evaluated? If humans could scale so easily there wouldn't be this problem in the first place.

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Post by theprincess »

ArnoVW wrote: post #26
nradov wrote: post #15

I am mentally ready for an AI-saturated post-truth world. Bring it on.

Whenever we have invented new mass media (books, radio, television, social media) it has taken a generation or two to manage the impacts, on a societal level. And in many cases, the intervening period was fraught with conflict and discord (religious schisms, rise of fascism, etc). The big problem is not whether you or I are ready. The problem is whether the "average joe" is ready for what's coming. No good in being r…

Controversial theory, most of the people who claim to be "ready", and seem oddly excited about the possibility of upheaval and turmoil, are already lost down some sort of algorithm induced ideological rabbit hole. Conveniently, one of the symptoms of hosting an internet mind-virus, is that you don't think internet mind-viruses are all that bad.

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Post by cvoss »

aero-deck wrote: post #202
cvoss wrote: post #159

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"Overheated" and "chilled" aren't antonyms here, at least not in the sense I think you're using them. Overheated: the discourse has too much anger or vitriol, or is too personal and emotionally charged. Chilled: people have given up on discoursing at all. If this is what you mean, I don't think we want less discourse as a solution to bad discourse. We want to maintain but temper the discourse.

We want an an appropriate degree of emotional engagement with discourse, which is 1-1 with how much discourse is happening. People being too angry is caused by people discoursing too much and vice-versa. There are opposite problems associated w/ too little discourse, but we don't suffer from those. Things are hyper-polarized right now and there is no magic political synthesis that is right over the horizon if only we…

Personally, that's not been my experience at all. I often find that when I have two friends with highly disparate and deeply held beliefs, the intense emotions they associate to these ideas are due to them not actually engaging each other but, instead, taking their emotional cues from their respective ideological silos (where no real discourse is occurring), and then proceeding to talk past each other.

Learning how to actually talk to one another in good faith with humility and charity is a skill that comes with practice. Deciding to engage each other less can worsen the situation by allowing one camp's preconceived notions about another camp to go unchallenged by reality. This allows each camp to tell an increasingly vilifying story about the other, which increases, rather than decreases, the emotional charge between the two.

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Post by TheMode »

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #338

Humans spent thousands of years in a pre-truth world believing all sorts of crazy things, and many of those societies produced great things and had people living normal lives. It's only been the last 100 years or so that people's perception of reality has been anywhere close to accurate. And even then, most people believe plenty of things that are false. So basically people and civilization are going to muddle along…

The stakes are different. Back in the day they lived more independent life, these crazy things they believed in didn't really matter as only the people from your close geographic area would be affected.

Giving conflicting informations to people all around the world expected to interact with each other is a bigger issue.

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Post by personjerry »

legendofbrando wrote: post #326

Counter point: sure they are. Humans are highly adaptable and like other changes to information availability in the past they will adapt. This is what societal norms and cultural memes are for. “Don’t believe everything you hear” “Don’t believe what you see on TV” “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.” These are all ways that the human species uses memes and cultural norms to teach ourselves how not to f…

50 years ago humans weren't prepared for a smartphone, internet "post-connected" world and here we are. We adapt and grow.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

systems_glitch wrote: post #346
legendofbrando wrote: post #326

Counter point: sure they are. Humans are highly adaptable and like other changes to information availability in the past they will adapt. This is what societal norms and cultural memes are for. “Don’t believe everything you hear” “Don’t believe what you see on TV” “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.” These are all ways that the human species uses memes and cultural norms to teach ourselves how not to f…

It is estimated that between 50% and 70% of folks have no inner monologue.

CPU savings for the simulation they aren't "real" like the rest of us.

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Post by RhodesianHunter »

throwuwu wrote: post #328
WorldMaker wrote: post #154

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The phone robot is collecting the various patterns for eventual automation. You are doing free labor for it every time by giving it any information at all and not just immediately yelling for an operator or human. Support solidarity for human kind by refusing to talk these data gathering machines. (I realize this sounds like satire as I write it, that I'm rather serious about this, and that it says a lot about the we…

No. Automate the shit out of this. Call centre jobs should not exist. If you have humanity’s best interests in mind then you should be all in on automation instead of trying to institutionalize miserable and meaningless jobs.

That would be great if the result were that people currently in those jobs could instead pursue their passions and hobbies.

Instead we're just rapidly dividing people into those who have nothing and those who have everything.

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Post by RealityVoid »

Havoc wrote: post #53

The comment by Yuval Noah Harari seemed insightful to me. If you argue against a bot about a political matter, not knowing it’s a bot - you always lose on a long enough timeline. ie you can never pursuade the bot but it can wear you down / eventually find an argument that works. The only winning move is not to play. So I could see this having a chilling effect on all discourse Aside from the whole skynet thing the ab…

A lot of times you don't argue with someone to prove to them you are right, but to prove to bystanders that there are different ways of looking at this. Refusing to engage will not make the world a better place if the only ones talking are idiots.

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Post by carlosjobim »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #357
goatlover wrote: post #345

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How is that any different form the past several thousand years of civilization? Hitler wasn't the first or only genocidal dictator. He wasn't alone in the 20th century either. Colonization and the slave trade were worse, albeit spread over several centuries. But empires waging war, conquering, enslaving, eradicating other groups and manipulating citizens has been going on for a long, long time. Plato wrote to counter…

How is it any different? Are you serious? For the overwhelming majority of our time on this planet communications were limited to word of mouth over geographically limited areas. Now it is trivial for any form of bullshit to spread worldwide in minutes. The stakes have changed.

This change came already with the invention of radio. We have a century of radio and TV propaganda of the absolutely vilest kind behind us already. At least now there is an exchange with the instant communications, not only one-way.
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