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Re: Linus Torvalds on C++

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Post by Daniel_Newby »

nxn wrote: post #6
stephen_g wrote: post #5

Has anyone really not seen this in the last two years? Anyway, Linus may be a very experienced C programmer, but that doesn't mean his opinion on C++ carries much weight... I'd be more interested on what someone who actually has a lot of experience in using C++ says. Especially with modern C++ and recent tools, libraries etc, which are very different from what was around five or ten years ago. I suppose it is nice fo…

Haven't seen it. I've seen many other examples of Torvalds being an ass, but I don't bother to keep track really. It does make me wonder though how he's able to get away with responses like that, when most other "founders" (not sure what the proper term here really is) would have the majority of their users/supporters just go elsewhere. EDIT: ... Let alone have supporters who get defensive enough to start downvoting…

This is a cherry-picked email that, while abrasive, does not single out any particular person for abuse. Messages about individual people on the linux-kernel mailing list are usually pretty professional. (Mind you, they rarely get as downright friendly as the Perl or Python people.)

Re: Linus Torvalds on C++

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Post by chj »

I've read this "news" like dozens of times, and every time I can't help laughing. What he is speaking of is generally true. If I am not writing in C, then I am writing in ASM for speed, or in LISP for less code. C++ just doesn't fit in my tool chain, because it really doesn't excel in any aspect.

Re: Linus Torvalds on C++

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Post by javadyan »

andrewflnr wrote: post #74
javadyan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Monotone. It's pretty horrible if you ask me.

In what way is it horrible and (in reference to others in this subthread) how is it due to it being written by C++ programmers?

For one, it is horribly slow. I do not know for a fact that its slowness is caused by C++ as a language or by the quality the programmers who wrote Monotone... but it is slow nevertheless and that is all I know. By contrast, git is extremely fast. Go figure.

Re: Linus Torvalds on C++

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Post by javadyan »

chj wrote: post #102

I've read this "news" like dozens of times, and every time I can't help laughing. What he is speaking of is generally true. If I am not writing in C, then I am writing in ASM for speed, or in LISP for less code. C++ just doesn't fit in my tool chain, because it really doesn't excel in any aspect.

C++ (and other mainstream languages, for that matter) excels in the aspect that you can actually write useful software with it. Yet, to the date, there are exactly zero useful pieces of consumer software (e.g. browsers, office suites, video processing) written in lisp. Thus, I suggest that lisp zealots stfu about C/C++ already, and either fix their favorite language or invent a new one.

Re: Linus Torvalds on C++

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Post by willvarfar »

Symbian was written in C++.

It was basically C with encapsulation. So using C++ as a better C.

It worked well. It didn't use STL nor boost and the exceptions weren't as you'd know them. Memory management was much more carefully counted than is normal in C/C++ programs, and reservation meant commit.

It was programmed by a pretty clever disciplined bunch. Well, most of us were ;)

Re: Linus Torvalds on C++

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Post by bleakgadfly »

I find it interesting how 'everyone' seem to hate C++, yet, so many uses it. If C++ is so bad, why does people continue to code with it? Personally I have just started to look at C++ due to Microsofts integration with it on WinRT/Metro for Windows 8.

I mean, MongoDB, Node.js, Microsoft's Windows Runtime (which provides access to the systems API for both JavaScript, C#/VB.NET and C++), MySQL, Membase, Haiku, Chromium are all notable examples of software written in C++ that seems to be quite well.

Re: Linus Torvalds on C++

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Post by Maro »

sirclueless wrote: post #43
X-Istence wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has nothing to do with the fact that it is written in C++...

And everything to do with the fact that it was written by C++ programmers.

Doom3 was written in C++ by John Carmack.

https://github.com/mtrencseni/doom3

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