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Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

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Re: Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

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The comments there are insightful and actually make me think this is the right move: > Since the earliest days of Linux or MySQL, there were companies set up to profit from others’ contributions. Most recently in Linux, for example, Rocky Linux and Alma Linux both promise “bug for bug compatibility” with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), while contributing nothing toward Red Hat’s success. Indeed, the natural conclusi…

Yeah I really think people are way out over their skis if they think that Red Hat/IBM doesn't have at least a somewhat justifiable case to make here. You can still disagree, but at least you need to admit that you can understand why they would be pissed about something like Rocky. They do offer downloads of RHEL for free (or is that gone too?) for anybody not using it commercially, this isn't some poor student clonin…

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Re: Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

#62

The comments there are insightful and actually make me think this is the right move: > Since the earliest days of Linux or MySQL, there were companies set up to profit from others’ contributions. Most recently in Linux, for example, Rocky Linux and Alma Linux both promise “bug for bug compatibility” with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), while contributing nothing toward Red Hat’s success. Indeed, the natural conclusi…

This is only true it RHEL was self contained OS Project with no Upstream sources itself...

That is not the case, RHEL is not possible with out the wider ecosystem, and to say Rocky Linux is a "dirtbag" for repacking RHEL, would be like saying RedHat is a "dirtbag" for packaging any number of free software projects they consume into their product.

It completely antithetical the free software movement for which Linux is Licensed

However it is perfectly on brand of the "Open Source" corporatist movement that seems to be supplanting free software

Re: Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many startups can only dream of being as long and influential as IBM is. Also note that IBM contributions to Linux kernel in 2000, was one of the reasons it actually took off.

I'd argue that IBM's contributions in that timeframe were more about about validating it from a large business perspective than about technical contributions (that tended to focus on large system performance which wasn't actually that important for Linux taking off).

Well, that is playing what-ifs with IBM, Intel, Compaq and Oracle initial set of contributions in 2000.

Re: Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

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post #47

The comments there are insightful and actually make me think this is the right move: > Since the earliest days of Linux or MySQL, there were companies set up to profit from others’ contributions. Most recently in Linux, for example, Rocky Linux and Alma Linux both promise “bug for bug compatibility” with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), while contributing nothing toward Red Hat’s success. Indeed, the natural conclusi…

When Red Hat didn't yet provide free download and free hobbyist licensing for their SO CentOS is what allowed me to learn the RHEL way and learn enough to pay 560 euro to get RHCSA certified. I can see their problem with Oracle, but Rocky linux is probably bringing them business. If my job wouldn't mandate a specific distro, I would use Rocky Linux where the management doesn't want to pay for support, and RHEL whenev…

I know there move to CentOS Stream cost them my business, Since that announcement 2 years ago I have replaced all Licensed RHEL servers with Ubuntu Servers...

Re: Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many startups can only dream of being as long and influential as IBM is. Also note that IBM contributions to Linux kernel in 2000, was one of the reasons it actually took off.

> Many startups can only dream of being as long and influential as IBM is. Okay? Do you feel attacked because I wrote something negative about IBM? Not sure how that is relevant to my point. > Also note that IBM contributions to Linux kernel in 2000, was one of the reasons it actually took off. And that influences the motivations behind their current decisions how exactly?

Me attacked, not all.

HN loves to hate Oracle, IBM, SAP, Adobe and friends, without getting the point that many startups that go through HN programs never achieve half of what they produce.

Re: Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

#66

NASA recently made a deal with Rocky Linux, which is literally just RHEL with branding replaced afaik. Probably pissed IBM real bad since they're usually the government's darling for tech contracts

If the info in this thread is accurate, it is for 3 (three) workstations, I would call it a tiny deal:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36417968

Shouldn't be of relevance.

Re: Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

#67

NASA recently made a deal with Rocky Linux, which is literally just RHEL with branding replaced afaik. Probably pissed IBM real bad since they're usually the government's darling for tech contracts

https://sam.gov/opp/2e0365ce1e3c4c179b50fb15573d68e4/view

links to "SATPC0031698 Tab 04 SOW.pdf"

which has 2 line items,

- CIQ Rocky Enterprise Linux Per Person Advanced - Annual Subscription Service Period: June 1, 2023-May 31, 2024

- CIQ Rocky Enterprise Linux Per Person Advanced - Annual Subscription Service Period: June 1, 2024-May 31, 2025

Quantity of 3 for each of them.

Re: Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many startups can only dream of being as long and influential as IBM is. Okay? Do you feel attacked because I wrote something negative about IBM? Not sure how that is relevant to my point. > Also note that IBM contributions to Linux kernel in 2000, was one of the reasons it actually took off. And that influences the motivations behind their current decisions how exactly?

Me attacked, not all. HN loves to hate Oracle, IBM, SAP, Adobe and friends, without getting the point that many startups that go through HN programs never achieve half of what they produce.

What do startups have to do with IBMs business direction and processes? How does this relate to my point? Not every startup being successful somehow means that I shouldn't comment on IBMs recent business decisions?

Re: Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability

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It only takes a single customer with a RHEL subscription to republish the source, so this is really just a middle finger out of spite to Centos competitors.

>It only takes a single customer with a RHEL subscription to republish the source, so this is really just a middle finger out of spite to Centos competitors. That is a violation of their terms of service and will result in a termination of your subscription unless I'm misreading it (section d): Unauthorized Use of Subscription Services. Any unauthorized use of the Subscription Services is a material breach of the Agr…

My Assumption would be Section 1.4 over rides in the case of Source Code which is governed by GPL and implicitly allows redistribution, that is the entire purpose of CopyLeft

So the prohibition on "redistribution" in this context would be on the compiled binaries. i.e you could not pay for a subscription and then mirror the yum repos publicly.

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