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Post by dkersten »

philbarr wrote: post #144
algoshift wrote: post #120

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That's really funny partner. Using Excel for generating code fragments that can be cut and pasted into your compiler is powerful and fast. Nothing wrong with it. But, go ahead and don't. I love compete with others doing thing less efficiently. Makes me smile.

May I humbly suggest that you are mixing your data up with your code? Could you not just put the data in an external Excel file (or *.txt file, whatever) and read that in when you run your code? This has a number of advantages: - you don't need to change your code every time the data changes. - you can version the data and the code seperately within your source control management system. - you don't need to write any…

He mentioned generating code for an embedded system. In that particular situation what you suggest may not be possible.

On the other hand what would be possible (and I've done this a few times before) is write a program or script (I like writing it in Python) that takes the .xls/.csv/.txt/.json file (which is pure data, can be edited in many programs etc) and generates the C/C++/whatever code from that. Basically the best of both worlds.

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Post by WayneDB »

nefasti wrote: post #115
WayneDB wrote: post #75

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How about 200+ comments on the actual article mirroring my exact sentiment?

Because the internet is made of whiners?

And also people who somehow know that a UI without colors (or some other moronic, one-size-fits-all idea) is a good thing for every other user on Earth, for ever and ever, Amen.

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Post by jodrellblank »

Shorel wrote: post #186
jodrellblank wrote: post #133

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It is not "insane", XP is three years past the end of official support and only two years until the end of extended support. It's two generations old and possibly three by the time this is released. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycl... XP doesn't run IE9 either, and it came out ages ago. XP is old now.

Customers don't care about 'generations'. If it works for them, they will not break it. That said: XP will eventually fade off, but not because of MS official support or extended or whatever. It will fade because end users will eventually stop installing and using it. Our company only recently started the full roll out of Windows 7, and some computers still require Windows XP (for accounting applications). These few…

And they can still use previous versions of VS to develop with XP. It won't stop working, it will gradually fade to governments and big businesses with inertia and businesses who don't want to pay to upgrade.

Then to smaller and smaller niches.

I'm not saying it should die, or it is bad, but that it is old and new tools are not 'insane' to not support it. IE9 came out almost a year ago and doesn't support XP, for example. DirectX vNext in Vista isn't XP compatible.

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Post by rbanffy »

MartinCron wrote: post #184
rbanffy wrote: post #176

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> I personally think that Microsoft should stick with things that only Microsoft can do I'm very curious to see that list...

Microsoft (either explicitly or de-facto) owns the Common Language Runtime, the C# language, Entity Framework, ASP.NET, IIS, Windows OS, Windows Phone OS, XBOX, XBOX live, etc. An example that I think of is LINQ (not linq-to-sql, mind you, but the language-integrated query stuff). So many things were required to make LINQ viable in the language and the tools, etc. that it doesn't seem realistic to expect an external…

I'm really not sure any of those is something only Microsoft could do, much less in the restricted scope of development tools.

When you say "that it doesn't seem realistic to expect an external dev team to throw something like that together", you are giving Microsoft's internal teams a power they simply don't have outside their very narrow zone of influence, as there is a lot of stuff being done outside it.

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Post by Spearchucker »

rkwz wrote: post #148
Spearchucker wrote: post #70

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I've been using Metro on a Samsung Series 7 Slate as my main PC/laptop/tablet for a couple of months now and don't quite see OLPC in there. But then, I've not used XO. FWIW I love Metro. The little UI touches like changing the volume or brightness make Windows 7 feel somehow... inadequate. As for VS - yup, 2010 was slow. I actually went back to 2008 because even the Express editions were too slow on my little Vaio P-…

>The little UI touches like changing the volume or brightness make Windows 7 feel somehow... inadequate. Can you elaborate on that?

When you swipe in from the right side of the screen (in both Metro and from the desktop) you get the search, share, start, devices and settings icons. Touch settings, and you get WiFi, volume, brightness, notifications, power and language icons, from which you can make changes without closing the current window/app or having to open a new one.

Doing all of that in Windows 7 meant going to a whole herd of different places to do that sort of stuff.

Metro is just so much easier than moving down to the system tray with a mouse, or having to right-click the desktop, or having to go to the start menu.

Re: Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by rkwz »

Spearchucker wrote: post #195
rkwz wrote: post #148

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>The little UI touches like changing the volume or brightness make Windows 7 feel somehow... inadequate. Can you elaborate on that?

When you swipe in from the right side of the screen (in both Metro and from the desktop) you get the search, share, start, devices and settings icons. Touch settings, and you get WiFi, volume, brightness, notifications, power and language icons, from which you can make changes without closing the current window/app or having to open a new one. Doing all of that in Windows 7 meant going to a whole herd of different pl…

> Touch settings, and you get WiFi, volume, brightness, notifications, power and language icons, from which you can make changes without closing the current window/app or having to open a new one.

So the settings charm is like android notification tray on steroids? That's pretty cool! I'd like to see this added to windowsphone too! :)

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