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Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Indeed. Companies hate unions because they increase labor costs and benefits. Does anyone really think corporate anti-union talking points are in their workers' best interest? Unions have their faults (e.g. bureaucracy), but corporations aren't fighting them for their employees' benefit.

Well, Walmart non union workers still have their jobs while the ones that did unionize all lost theirs.

What a shitshow. In Socialist Sweden this would be illegal grounds.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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They are effective indeed, esp. as political donations go - who would've thought the carpenters union donates more to political initiatives than Oracle? https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/top-organizat...

That ignores individual donors. I assure you that execs and investors in oracle make up the difference.

And? You could say the same about the union. I imagine the groups individuals are donating to are way more diverse compared to the union or Oracle as a whole

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Argument makes sense if you conveniently forget it's workers in the first place who created the company's wealth.

The workers didn't create the wealth. The owners did. The workers sold their time and labor, and we're compensated according to what they negotiated. Why should they be entitled to anything more?

Individual workers have unequal bargaining power vs. the employer in almost all cases. The power differential is what makes the situation inherently unfair.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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We're talking about Apple Stores, not Apple in general. I'm sure Apple would be fine if they closed all stores.

The stores are a pretty critical component in their sales, marketing, and support cycles, and generally considered a big part of their current success.

I don't think so. Apple Stores are mostly a US thing.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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> everyone in the US who has more than $1m is in the top 1% by wealth, including assets. 88th percentile for $1M net worth including home. https://dqydj.com/net-worth-percentile-calculator-united-sta... 90.5th percentile excluding home. It is 99th percentile until age 35 to age 39 though. https://dqydj.com/net-worth-by-age-calculator-united-states/

I imagine the number varies a lot depending on your source. Mine is Credit Suisse via the World Bank - https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/3...

I could not find where it says 99th percentile in the US is $1M, but it seems unreasonable based on recent run up in asset prices, especially homes. The median home price is north of $500k in the western US.

https://cdn.nar.realtor/sites/default/files/documents/ehs-04...

Come to think of it, I wonder if these net worth calculations incorporate present value of annuities such as Social Security benefits and defined benefit pensions.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Just goes to show how effective unionizing is. Power to those workers! They're a key part in making Apple one of the most valuable companies in the world. They deserve a fair share.

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Translation guide: when someone says "fair share" you can just read that as "more."

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Virtually all companies oppose unionization. Am I to believe that all these companies are doing so out of sheer incompetence?

These companies need to remember that NLRB and unionization was an agreement to take harsh violence off the table. In the old days, when First International and IWW was created, unionization efforts were to "set the bosses house on fire, with them in it", "pass out rifles to all workers and shoot up the bosses house", assaults, bombs.. you name it. That's also where we have the paramilitary force, Pinkertons. They we…

Come on, nobody’s bombing Tim Cook’s house for flexible work schedules and paid parental leave at the Apple Store.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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I know I should be on the side of union organizers, but it's difficult to sympathize with them when they simultaneously try to portray themselves as David fighting Goliath, but also portray themselves as helpless victims when they get their flyers are taken down during break rooms and made to watch presentations.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Well, Walmart non union workers still have their jobs while the ones that did unionize all lost theirs.

What a shitshow. In Socialist Sweden this would be illegal grounds.

In capitalist Sweden with stronger labor laws.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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post #51

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Well, Walmart non union workers still have their jobs while the ones that did unionize all lost theirs.

What a shitshow. In Socialist Sweden this would be illegal grounds.

It's also illegal in the US as well. Just less protections, and thus harder to prove.
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