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Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Post by judge2020 »

otherme123 wrote: post #146
judge2020 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For reference, Apple has not taken action against the company with the logo in the article. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36417785

Because the first step is to get exclusive apple trademark for everything, then force everyone out. The article say Apple was granted the apple trademark for phones and other electronics, but Apple is fighting to get everything. Why would they fight if not to bully everyone?

From the appeal (download): https://www.bvger.ch/dam/bvger/de/dokumente/2023/04/B-4493-2...

Just using Google Translate, it seems like they want the image of a true-to-life apple to be a trademark, but still only for "Essential sound, video and film recordings and corresponding data carriers". Nowhere in the appeal does it sound like they're trying to extend it to more classes of goods like actual fruit.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Post by paxys »

raldi wrote: post #121
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #66

There's more info here, including an image of the pre 2011 logo: https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/06/19/apple-wants-to-co...

Right? All the comments here are mocking Apple for trying to own all depictions of a fruit, or make it seem like the other company had been happily using the logo for a century, but no, Apple is just trying to say they can’t use the logo they switched to in 2011 which was clearly based on the Apple logo.

> clearly based on the Apple logo

Uh, the design is clearly based on an apple, which they sell

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Post by pdpi »

HWR_14 wrote: post #124
tdy721 wrote: post #110

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Because Steve took the name off a Beatles Album. It wasn't extortion

Took the name from the Beatles [edited thanks to pdpi] corporation, with its own trademarks.

Beatles, not Beetles. It's a dumb pun on "beat".

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Post by hilbert42 »

hospitalJail wrote: post #147
hilbert42 wrote: post #33

I see, so Apple is now real government in our so-called democracies. Welcome to government by MegaCorporation.

Kind of scary given how many people defend every possible action too. Reminds me of GOP/Dem politics. My side has a good reason for doing it, but when they do it, its bad.

It was interesting to note some down-voted my comment.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Post by mywittyname »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #131
cjs_ac wrote: post #98

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It is, thank you! I always get those two mixed up.

Providence is like providing something (provide ence) and Provenance is like it stems from something like a vine (pro vine ance).

This is very interesting!

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Post by EnergyAmy »

raldi wrote: post #121
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #66

There's more info here, including an image of the pre 2011 logo: https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/06/19/apple-wants-to-co...

Right? All the comments here are mocking Apple for trying to own all depictions of a fruit, or make it seem like the other company had been happily using the logo for a century, but no, Apple is just trying to say they can’t use the logo they switched to in 2011 which was clearly based on the Apple logo.

"clearly based on" is doing a whole lot of work in your comment. I would never confuse the two.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Post by dspillett »

cjs_ac wrote: post #35

When it comes to discussing intellectual property laws, it's important to remember where they came from. I live in High Wycombe, a market town in the South East of England. In the nineteenth century, Wycombe was known as the centre of chair manufacturing. The chairs were initially transported by barge down the Wye and Thames Rivers to Windsor, where they were sold, and consequently became known as Windsor chairs. The…

International IP laws come from the time of Dickens, when people were copying his books in the states because he couldn't enforce ownership from over here.

America didn't really play ball until the situation started affecting their own economy (Americans being copied by people in other countries, or other Americans, enough to affect the national bottom line).

China is in a similar state: international IP isn't enforced, and the government just pays lip service to the idea, while it is a net benefit for their country's economy for copying to be rife. This will flip when the issue becomes a net detriment to their bottom line.

The same game has been played any number of times at smaller scales too, though in the smaller cases the big boys tend to force the “being a net detriment” with sanctions and other indirect influences (or simply by buying out the smaller concerns).

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Post by frumper »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #149
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #72

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Definiyyely, we will have a tidal wave of arsonand violence withng 3 to 5 years due to climate changje and lack of law

To all the downvoters - do you seriously believe, that once damage from climate change starts to bite, and millipns of people are displaced, there won't be any social disorder?

Maybe they object to your timeline.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Post by aubanel »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #131
cjs_ac wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, thank you! I always get those two mixed up.

Providence is like providing something (provide ence) and Provenance is like it stems from something like a vine (pro vine ance).

Wait, that's completely false ! Provenance comes from the Latin "pro" (from) and "venire" (come), so that's where an item comes from, while Providence (capital P) is "the care and control of God or of a force that is not human in origin" according to Cambridge dictionary.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Post by aubanel »

totalZero wrote: post #92
cjs_ac wrote: post #35

When it comes to discussing intellectual property laws, it's important to remember where they came from. I live in High Wycombe, a market town in the South East of England. In the nineteenth century, Wycombe was known as the centre of chair manufacturing. The chairs were initially transported by barge down the Wye and Thames Rivers to Windsor, where they were sold, and consequently became known as Windsor chairs. The…

> providence In this case, it seems the word you are looking for is "provenance."

More explanation: Provenance comes from the Latin "pro" (from) and "venire" (come), so that's where an item comes from, while Providence (capital P) is "the care and control of God or of a force that is not human in origin" (Cambridge dictionary).
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