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Re: Ask HN: Refusing all cookies, still targeted by ads. How?

#12
Fingerprinting.

Everything about you that isn't identical to everyone else can be combined to guess who you likely are. Your exact browser version, OS, supported APIs, your IP address, your latency to Google servers... Anything that isn't a complete match to everyone else.

You may have a new install, but your IP and latency match your old install. What are the odds you're not the same person?

It's all probabilistic. But Google has a lot of incentive to get really good at making those guesses.

Re: Ask HN: Refusing all cookies, still targeted by ads. How?

#14
Cookies was a simple concept that politicians could glom on to and legislate around, but, yes, they're quite unimportant in the grand scale of things.

In the end, you've got two things to work with: Things you can convince the browser to actively identify itself with, and the things you can track regardless.

Cookies are in the first category, but they are not alone. You can get things as simple as presenting an entire site with customized URLs that track a user through querystrings being appended to everything with an identifier. You can track certain caching differences. You can program a website to use local storage and submit a token on every URL click with a fairly simple handler. This isn't even remotely a complete list.

In the second category, you've got IP address, browser versions, various settings... see something like https://www.amiunique.org/ .

In a nutshell, your rich browser experience leaks so much data along so many axes that it is essentially inconceivable that you could ever prevent yourself from being fingerprinted. What you can do is try to detach that fingerprint from a real person, to a certain extent rotate what you can, etc. But in reality you can't be shipping up kilobytes of header information on each web request and expect there isn't something in there that can track you.

https://www.amiunique.org/fingerprint says I'm 100% unique; with all the red lighting up I'm not surprised.

Re: Ask HN: Refusing all cookies, still targeted by ads. How?

#15

I've noticed Google now syphons data from my searches to feed my youtube recommendations, always felt like two separate systems until about a month ago.

I was wondering about that, but I wasn't sure it was new. Are you using YouTube Premium?

Re: Ask HN: Refusing all cookies, still targeted by ads. How?

#16
Cookie sharing networks never actually needed to use cookies to share information about you. It’s ironic, but true. The disclaimers about using cookies and the regulations about providing those disclaimers never actually did anything to protect your privacy.

Re: Ask HN: Refusing all cookies, still targeted by ads. How?

#18

Cookie sharing networks never actually needed to use cookies to share information about you. It’s ironic, but true. The disclaimers about using cookies and the regulations about providing those disclaimers never actually did anything to protect your privacy.

All it did was make surfing the web more annoying because now you have to accept or decline cookies before you actually do anything on the page you landed on.

Re: Ask HN: Refusing all cookies, still targeted by ads. How?

#19
post #14

Cookies was a simple concept that politicians could glom on to and legislate around, but, yes, they're quite unimportant in the grand scale of things. In the end, you've got two things to work with: Things you can convince the browser to actively identify itself with, and the things you can track regardless. Cookies are in the first category, but they are not alone. You can get things as simple as presenting an entir…

The important bit is that the cookies not only are irrelevant from the point of view of allowing tracking to occur technically, they're also irrelevant from a legal point of view. A company must have your consent to hold and process your information for a specific purpose, regardless of whether or not that is done using cookies or fingerprinting. If you have been presented with a consent popup and have not consented, and the company is tracking you by other methods, then that is illegal. (It'd be illegal also if they hadn't given a consent popup at all.)

Re: Ask HN: Refusing all cookies, still targeted by ads. How?

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post #12

Fingerprinting. Everything about you that isn't identical to everyone else can be combined to guess who you likely are. Your exact browser version, OS, supported APIs, your IP address, your latency to Google servers... Anything that isn't a complete match to everyone else. You may have a new install, but your IP and latency match your old install. What are the odds you're not the same person? It's all probabilistic.…

Probabilistic, to a staggeringly high certainty. I used to think "meh, how accurate could all that possibly be?". I now know it's close enough to 100% for the false positives to be negligible.
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