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Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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> Michael Graziano, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at Princeton University, says he thinks AI could create a “post-truth world.” He says it will likely make it significantly easier to convince people of false narratives, which will be disruptive in many ways Significantly easier? I would have thought that it would get harder to convince people of anything.

Confirmation bias is one hell of a drug. If people want to believe something, and AI provides somewhat believable fake evidence, they will believe it.

Now, instead of 3 tasty lies to choose from, you're going to have 100 to choose from. Pick your favorite flavor!

And, the more flavors of lies there are (and the more they are able to manufacture "evidence" to support the lies), the more effort it takes to figure out what's actually true, and the more people give up. That's the "significantly harder" part - if people have given up, they won't buy a lie, but they won't buy the truth either.

In C. S. Lewis's The Last Battle, Aslan says of some dwarves, "They are so afraid of being taken in, that they cannot be taken out." (Quoted from memory, may not be word-for-word.) If people are so afraid of being suckered by a lie that they can't be convinced of the truth either, then those people are at "post truth" in a very real sense.

So we're left with either confirmation bias driving you to a comfortable lie, refusing to believe anything, or a huge and increasing amount of work to sort out what's actually true. The path of virtue grows harder...

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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We may not be ready but we may as well get ready. I would strongly prefer to work with skeptical people again. Skeptics can be convinced, they just need evidence. Although I am genuinely intrigued by AI running out of things to ingest, and moving onto AI generated content. Is the snake starting to eat its tail?

Skeptical people? You mean people who distrust everything? Because "post truth" doesn't stimulate to question reality, it incites total distrust. After which society heads straight for dismantling the state, and all the violence that comes with it.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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The comment by Yuval Noah Harari seemed insightful to me. If you argue against a bot about a political matter, not knowing it’s a bot - you always lose on a long enough timeline. ie you can never pursuade the bot but it can wear you down / eventually find an argument that works.

The only winning move is not to play. So I could see this having a chilling effect on all discourse

Aside from the whole skynet thing the above is what spooks me the most

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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I don't think we're mentally ready for social media, even. What something like Twitter can inflict on a person when it goes wrong is absolutely unprecedented, and we still haven't adapted to it. Think that for instance going to the cinema, watching a movie, walking out and venting to a friend "Boy, this one sucked. $ACTOR_NAME did a really bad job with this one" is a perfectly normal thing to do. But move that to Twi…

Any evidence we are ready for mass media? The internet era suggests that there has always been a flood of lies and half-truths and there is an uncomfortable dawning realisation that the voters in most democracies would actually rather adopt peaceful policies if the media aren't ginning up a fight.

What Twitter does to someone is unfortunate. What radio and broadcasting resulted in for Europe through the 1940s was arguably worse. Coordinated madness is much more dangerous than individual lunacy.

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Really don’t like the idea that we will act as interfaces for the AI, I honestly believe it will only many the majority of people lazier and dumber. I’m also incredibly shocked that no one is talking about AI as a friend/companion, that has to not be good for you in the long run. Humans need real human connection, AI is too artificial for that (duh). Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead…

A lot of jobs are already human interfaces for computers. Ever talked or messages with a call center? They're following scripts and trying to pattern match your problem with what they have to work with manually, AI is just going to 10x this for both good and bad. Mostly bad, I suspect, because good luck getting an AI to escalate to a supervisor.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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post #17

Really don’t like the idea that we will act as interfaces for the AI, I honestly believe it will only many the majority of people lazier and dumber. I’m also incredibly shocked that no one is talking about AI as a friend/companion, that has to not be good for you in the long run. Humans need real human connection, AI is too artificial for that (duh). Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead…

AI has a good niche as confidante for people with serious issues and no close friend/therapist to approach about them. This is unfortunately a large niche.

And if it displaces public social media... That is a net gain.

But yeah, overall the fast food analogy is a fitting one.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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post #17

Really don’t like the idea that we will act as interfaces for the AI, I honestly believe it will only many the majority of people lazier and dumber. I’m also incredibly shocked that no one is talking about AI as a friend/companion, that has to not be good for you in the long run. Humans need real human connection, AI is too artificial for that (duh). Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead…

I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well! The key is humanity’s ability to pattern match: we’re actually pretty terrible at it. Our brains are so keen on finding patterns that they often spot them where none exist. Remember the face on Mars? It was just a pile of rocks. The same principle applies here. As long as the AI so…

Whew it's satire. Whew. I've literally seen posts on the internet that read like this sans the satire.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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We may not be ready but we may as well get ready. I would strongly prefer to work with skeptical people again. Skeptics can be convinced, they just need evidence. Although I am genuinely intrigued by AI running out of things to ingest, and moving onto AI generated content. Is the snake starting to eat its tail?

If you exclude natural-world input, humans almost exclusively ingest stuff produced by other humans.

Just like humans eventually learn that not all input is equally trusted (for example the input "2+2=5"), so should AI eventually learn to sift through.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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I am not scared for AI overflowing the news sites with bullshit. We already have a fire hydrant worth of bullshit content produced for consumption. Lies and fakes have coexisted with humans forever. People did rumours, then we had books, press, radio, television, and now the Internet. "But it's easier to produce lies/deepfakes today" -- true. However, the absolute cost of producing a lie per consumer already was negl…

You don't think that everyone having to "recalibrate their level of trust" in something as pervasive and fundamental to modern society as "technology" is impactful? Even just photos, videos, audio recordings, and phone calls becoming utterly untrustworthy would be pretty significant. The cost of a widely disseminated fake being low per recipient is altogether different from the cost to produce a fake specifically targeted for a single use approaching zero.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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I am mentally ready for an AI-saturated post-truth world. Bring it on.

I already live in it. Humans have been lying this entire time, computers lying as well isn't a big difference.

I would call that attitude: pre-adult. It's drawing on false analogies to make an edgy point. It's not about "computers lying" (they've been lying since the first program), but on widespread counterfactual information, and the disappearance of the ability to distinguish between true and fabricated evidence. That's not something you already live in, unless you're psychotic.
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