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Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Trademark protection should only apply where it prevents customer confusion. A consumer electronics company has no business in preventing anyone from using a similar logo for selling fruit .

I Will get confused if I was going to see the exact Apple logo on a fruit box though. What about a music record with the same logo before Apple was in the music industry?

I think any kind of confusion is what raise the question of if it should be ok or not. But here the logos don’t even match…

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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The title is quite deceptive. Reading the Wired article, Apple seems to be pursuing a trademark in Switzerland on a depiction of an apple (without bite mark, and in black-and-white). The Swiss authorities granted this but only on limited product categories. Apple filed an appeal about this, which is ongoing. Now, the Fruit Union is fear-mongering / spreading the message that, if this appeal is granted, they would be…

> The title is quite deceptive.

Surely a blog post from Android Authority, a site dedicated to Apple's biggest competitor for mobile ecosystems, wouldn't sensationalize an article for the purposes of clicks.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

#113
This title is clickbait. If you read the article, it’s pretty clear that Apple has taken no action against the fruit company and there’s no reason to think they will, or that they’d even be able to if granted the trademarks requested. It also seems as if they’re trying to retain rights to use the whole apple for specific products.

From the source:

“ Apple's attempts to secure the trademark in Switzerland go as far back as 2017, when the Cupertino, California–based giant submitted an application to the Swiss Institute of Intellectual Property (IPI) requesting the IP rights for a realistic, black-and-white depiction of an apple variety known as the Granny Smith—the generic green apple. The request covered an extensive list of potential uses—mostly on electronic, digital, and audiovisual consumer goods and hardware. Following a protracted back-and-forth between both parties, the IPI partially granted Apple’s request last fall, saying that Apple could have rights relating to only some of the goods it wanted, citing a legal principle that considers generic images of common goods—like apples—to be in the public domain. In the spring, Apple launched an appeal.”

So what’s really happening: Apple is trying to prevent others from using apples, including ones that don’t look particularly like Apple’s apple (2d, monochrome, bite out of it) from being used to compete with them. You couldn’t start “granny smith’s headphones and use an apple as your logo.

You can debate if this is good or bad but any mention of the fruit company is meritless sensationalism.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they should branch into selling vinyl windows and really throw the world off

Would be extra cool if "vinyl" is a new name for a design concept that shall replace skeumorphism.

the calculator app has never felt so warm, just like the artist intended

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed 100%. The logos are not even vaguely similar, either! Besides, didn't we already go through this decades ago with Apple Records? ¯\\\_ (ツ)_/¯ Probably a case of "lawyers gonna lawyer," because US trademark law demands that one vigorously defend their trademark, lest they lose it. SMH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer

>>trademark law demands that one vigorously defend their trademark, lest they lose it. This myth, and "cant yell fire" are two of the most pervasive false legal statements on the internet. "Quite simply, the view that a trademark holder must trawl the internet and respond to every unauthorized use (or even every infringing use) is a myth. It’s great for lawyers, but irritating and expensive for everyone else. And whe…

They still do it as if it were not a myth is the problem.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

#116
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Trademark protection should only apply where it prevents customer confusion. A consumer electronics company has no business in preventing anyone from using a similar logo for selling fruit .

My understanding is that the more generic a trademark is (cough) apple (cough) the more it is tied to a specific industry. This is just a case of bored lawyers at apple. What really sucks is that for apple this is nothing, the lawyers are already payed for who cares if they overstep their authority a bit. but for a small company hit with a bogus trademark dispute this is a major traumatic expensive event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark#Limits_and_defenses_...

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

#117

If Apple want to argue that the logos are confusingly similar, well OK then: the newer company should be obliged to change their logo.

Although your method works out fine in this case, IMO the fact that one company literally sells apples should give them extra claim the using an apple as a logo.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

#118

If Apple want to argue that the logos are confusingly similar, well OK then: the newer company should be obliged to change their logo.

So if Microsoft were to change their logo to look like Google’s, Google would have to find a new logo?

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

#119
post #10

Trademark protection should only apply where it prevents customer confusion. A consumer electronics company has no business in preventing anyone from using a similar logo for selling fruit .

Agreed 100%. The logos are not even vaguely similar, either! Besides, didn't we already go through this decades ago with Apple Records? ¯\\\_ (ツ)_/¯ Probably a case of "lawyers gonna lawyer," because US trademark law demands that one vigorously defend their trademark, lest they lose it. SMH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer

Then Apple must be very afraid to lose it's trademark, I guess.

An investigation in 2022 by the Tech Transparency Project, a nonprofit that researches Big Tech, found that between 2019 and 2021, Apple filed more trademark oppositions—attempts to enforce its IP over other companies—than Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, and Google combined. Those companies also have trademarked common terms such as “Windows” or “Prime.”

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-vs-apples-trademark-battle...

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