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Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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weird title, note that the tweet said "so yes, GPT4 is *technically* 10x the size of GPT3, and all the small circle big circle memes from January were actually... in the ballpark?" It's really 8 models that are 220B, which is not the same as one model that is 1.7T params. There have been 1T+ models via mixtures of experts for a while now. Note also the follow up tweet: "since MoE is So Hot Right Now, GLaM might be th…

For a moment I thought you were Andrej Karapathy!

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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https://twitter.com/soumithchintala/status/16712671501017210... It looks like at least one other person has also heard the same information.

To be fair, this was already a common whisper at the time, so it could be a Chinese whisper effect. Even I thought this on release day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35165874 What is weird is how competitive the open-source models are to the closed ones. For instance, PaLM-2 Bison is below multiple 12B models[0], despite it being plausibly much bigger[1]. The gap with GPT-4 is not that big; the best open-sourc…

> The gap with GPT-4 is not that big...

Oh it is though. I've tried several OS models and nothing comes even close to GPT-4. Turns out ClosedAI has a moat after all.

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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If it's similar to the switch transformer architecture [1], which I suspect it is, then the models are all trained on the same corpus and the routing model learns automatically which experts to route to. It's orthogonal to beam search - the benefit of the architecture is that it allows sparse inference. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2101.03961.pdf

So in layman's terms does this mean that on top of big base of knowledge (?) they trained 8 different 220B models and each model specialized in different areas, in practice like an 8 units "brain"? PS. Thinking now how human brain does something similar as our brain is split in two parts and each one specialize in different tasks.

Yeah, that's pretty close. It might be more precise to say they trained one big model that includes 8 "expert networks" and a mechanism to route between them, since everything is trained together.

There isn't a lot of public interpretability work on mixture-of-expert transformer models, but I'd suspect the way they specialize in tasks is going to be pretty alien to us. I would be surprised if we find that one of the expert networks is used for math, another for programming, another for poetry etc. It's more likely we'll see a lot of overlap between the networks going off of Anthropic's work on superposition [1], but who really knows?

[1] https://transformer-circuits.pub/2022/toy_model/index.html

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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That's on the order of 25 4090 GPUs to run inference. Not a crazy number by any means. We will see consumer robots running that by the end of the decade, mark my words.

It's a lot of electricity to power it and heat that gets generated... and electricity to cool it from the heat

25 GPUs? A lot of electricity?

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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That's on the order of 25 4090 GPUs to run inference. Not a crazy number by any means. We will see consumer robots running that by the end of the decade, mark my words.

How are. 254090 GPUs supposed to run inside a robot ?

They mean 25 x RTX 4090 GPUs. 4090 is a model number

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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Well, they're not wrong... Given a highly-parallelizable numerics job, and all other things being equal, a 20 core 2.0Ghz machine will run the job in the same time as a 40 core 1.0Ghz machine. ...though usually we'd just give it in FLOPS - though FLOPS doesn't describe non-float operation performance. Probably just a sales/marketing person who learned a new technical word and wants to sound knowledgable to the custom…

At the risk of torturing this analogy beyond recognition, it’s more like having an 8 core CPU but with a weak 150W PSU such that you can only run one core at a time.

Is each core specialized to some particular type of task or something like that? Which would make this less silly of an idea.

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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post #144
post #130

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So in layman's terms does this mean that on top of big base of knowledge (?) they trained 8 different 220B models and each model specialized in different areas, in practice like an 8 units "brain"? PS. Thinking now how human brain does something similar as our brain is split in two parts and each one specialize in different tasks.

Yeah, that's pretty close. It might be more precise to say they trained one big model that includes 8 "expert networks" and a mechanism to route between them, since everything is trained together. There isn't a lot of public interpretability work on mixture-of-expert transformer models, but I'd suspect the way they specialize in tasks is going to be pretty alien to us. I would be surprised if we find that one of the…

Thank you for the explanation, I still have a hard time understanding how transformers work so amazingly well and tech is already quite a few steps over that idea.

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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You might be surprised to learn that dell "hpc engineers" (or maybe HPE?) have attempted to sell me hardware using that exact logic to compare servers.

Well, they're not wrong... Given a highly-parallelizable numerics job, and all other things being equal, a 20 core 2.0Ghz machine will run the job in the same time as a 40 core 1.0Ghz machine. ...though usually we'd just give it in FLOPS - though FLOPS doesn't describe non-float operation performance. Probably just a sales/marketing person who learned a new technical word and wants to sound knowledgable to the custom…

Amdahl's law though ...
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