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Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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Sorry I phrased the question badly. I mean to say which standards are enforced by law globally ? ISO 4210 certainly exists globally but I’m sure there are a great many countries where you can buy a bike that violates it.

Here: https://www.cpsc.gov/content/bicycle-requirements-business-g...

That is not globally enforced.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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One shall not obsess with the game controller they use, I suppose, in their analysis, failing the controller wouldn't prevent the sub from resurfacing... It is symptomatic, however. The whole Silicon Valley is like that. You have the old guard, NASA, millions for fault analysis, rumors go the C code on some NASA rocket was certified at $1000 per line---human eyeballs reading it... All those start-ups and unicorns, th…

Sure, because this does not happen in commercial aircrafts.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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They have multiple of them on board and can swap in a new one if there's an issue. The focus on the controller is misplaced to me. Game controllers are well made and better suited for the job than custom hardware. It's just the association with videogames that makes it seem odd. If they used $30 logitech keyboard as well, would anyone question that?

Pros of having a wireless controller: freedom of movement (in this case in a very cramped environment) and not having as much of a tangled cord situation. Cons: desynchronization issues, transmitter goes bad, receiver goes bad, interference, batteries run up, someone forgets to pack batteries, someone forgets to check if the backup batteries are still good. WHAT were they thinking??

Hmmm, from what I've read subs can get damp because of temperature and pressure changes. All of what you said combined with condensation.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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Theranos? All those cases of neglected security when data leaked and/or people killed themselves over scams?

Theranos is an outright fraud. Not the product of getting things done on fast track. They knew things could not be done and kept up the charade for long enough to profit off of it, and hopefully get away.

> Theranos is an outright fraud. Not the product of getting things done on fast track

Theranos is product of the same culture. Company founder chases a goal they do not understand, and convinces investors its right around the corner. In actuality they have no clue.

There is no foundamental difference between theranos diagnosis and tesla autopilot.

The only reason we call theranos fraud is that we know conclusively that their goal is impossible. We have not yet accepted that autopilot is.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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One shall not obsess with the game controller they use, I suppose, in their analysis, failing the controller wouldn't prevent the sub from resurfacing... It is symptomatic, however. The whole Silicon Valley is like that. You have the old guard, NASA, millions for fault analysis, rumors go the C code on some NASA rocket was certified at $1000 per line---human eyeballs reading it... All those start-ups and unicorns, th…

I'm really frustrated by anyone that poo-poos this specific issue. One shall absolutely fucking obsess, me for instance about the game controller they used. Look at this. https://i.imgur.com/FrdR7TP.png So the F710 Logitech gamepad was something I wouldn't even trust as a teenager to let me play emulated retro games accurately. It has a hardware switch to toggle between DirectInput (an ancient input technology within…

. Edit: The bit mentioned above is at 0:37 in this video: https://youtu.be/ClkytJa0ghc?t=37 - "we keep a couple of spares on board just in case", that's great but I'm wondering who in that sub knows how to pair an ancient Logitech gamepad and remap XInput like a kid playing Diablo.

They don't, in the BBC Travel episode "Take Me to Titanic" about this team and their sub, they did a dive with customers and almost had to abort because the controllers stopped working.

Then, when they reached the bottom of the sea, they were stuck going around in circles on the sea floor because the keymappings on the controllers stopped working. They almost had to abort the dive until someone on the surface had troubleshooted the issue and found out that the keys were incorrectly mapped to the sub's controls.

It turned out that the 'left' direction key on the gamepad actually mapped to the 'forward' motion of the submarine, and all of the gamepad controls were incorrectly mapped.

They only found out about the incorrect mapping after a dozen hours underwater and once they reached the seafloor.

It was amateur hour from the get-go.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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The US Navy uses an Xbox 360 controller in active service [0] Mass market has a lot of R&D to leverage so it makes sense. Nothing to say this is the cause of the fault and probably going to be more reliable than something hand rolled. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16333376/us-navy-military...

I once spole to a team thay used a wireless controller to control a robot. If that particular wireless controller ran out of battery or lost sognal for any reason, the dongle in the PC kept the command, i.e. move forward, forever. You'd have to chase the robot around.

Thats thw kind of thing you have to test for

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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One shall not obsess with the game controller they use, I suppose, in their analysis, failing the controller wouldn't prevent the sub from resurfacing... It is symptomatic, however. The whole Silicon Valley is like that. You have the old guard, NASA, millions for fault analysis, rumors go the C code on some NASA rocket was certified at $1000 per line---human eyeballs reading it... All those start-ups and unicorns, th…

Sure, because this does not happen in commercial aircrafts.

This is part of my ongoing campaign to resist the constant attempts to make "aircrafts" the plural of "aircraft". Thanks for your time!

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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> That's an awful lot of keyboard engineering, given nobody knows what happened yet. Unless I'm mistaken, the subject article starts with the words "Submarine missing". The fact that the whole thing was jury rigged and double checked by nobody with certifications is enough to start pointing fingers at the engineers. This isn't the company's first trip either. They've taken multiple trips down and have almost lost the…

I'm also annoyed at the company for all the public emergency resources being forced to help rescue this contraption.

Whilst I agree, and I hope the vessel had adequate insurance for such an eventuality, it's a excellent "training" exercise.

Real world scenarios which don't involve any enemy combatants are invaluable to keep everyone at peak readiness

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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Those situations are really not comparable. Jumping off a cliff has a near 100% death rate. This sub on the other hand has done this before. A better comparison might be climbing mount everest in the 80s.

Okay maybe betteer to compare diving in a janky sub to jumping oit of a plane with a tablecloth for parachute
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