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Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

#51

full podcast here: https://www.latent.space/p/geohot

thanks :) posted it on HN but got no traction, definitely underperformed my expectations. my only explanation is i think i screwed up the title :/

i somewhat knew that people were going to obsess over the gpt4 tidbit, but hey ultimately George is just relaying secondhand info, and I wish more people focused on the tinycorp/tinybox/tinygrad story. I'm going to try again tomorrow to tell the story better.

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

#52
So if this is true - which is a big if since this looks like speculation rather than real information - could this work with even smaller models?

For example, what about 20 x 65B = 1.3T params? Or 100 x 13B = 1.3T params?

Hell, what about 5000 x 13B params? Thousands of small highly specialized models, with maybe one small "categorization" model as the first pass?

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

#53

I wouldn’t trust anything geohot says. He doesn’t have access to any inside information.

https://twitter.com/soumithchintala/status/16712671501017210... It looks like at least one other person has also heard the same information.

2x0=0

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's even more interesting that the required amount of energy to do that high computational work isn't that high. Evolution has been working on it for a long time, and some things are really inefficient but overall it does an OK job at making squishy machines.

The human brain uses roughly 20 watts, which is really a remarkably low number. https://psychology.stackexchange.com/a/12386

That's 20% of total energy consumption.

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

#56

Are the models specifically trained to be experts in certain domains? Or the models are all trained on the same corpus, but just queried with different parameters? Is this functionally the same as beam search? Do they select the best output on a token-by-token basis, or do they let each model stream to completion and then pick the best final output?

If it's similar to the switch transformer architecture [1], which I suspect it is, then the models are all trained on the same corpus and the routing model learns automatically which experts to route to.

It's orthogonal to beam search - the benefit of the architecture is that it allows sparse inference.

[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2101.03961.pdf

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

#57

I wouldn’t trust anything geohot says. He doesn’t have access to any inside information.

https://twitter.com/soumithchintala/status/16712671501017210... It looks like at least one other person has also heard the same information.

It’s funny that this post is trending on HN right next to the post about a paper showing how to build a model 1000x smaller than 1.7T that can code better than LLMs 10x larger.

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

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Is this still orders of magnitude smaller than a human brain? How many? Based on current human neurons/synapses knowledge?

We have no idea how to estimate the computational capacity of the brain at the moment. We can make silly estimates like saying that 1 human neuron is equivalent to something in an artificial network. But this is definitely wrong, biological neurons are far more complex than this.

The big problem is that we don't understand the locus of computation in the brain. What is the thing performing the meaningful unit of computation in a neuron? And what is a neuron really equivalent to?

The ranges are massive.

Some people say that computation is some high level property of the neuron as a whole, so they think each neuron is equivalent to just a few logic gates. These people would say that the brain has a capacity of about 1 petaFLOP/s. https://lips.cs.princeton.edu/what-is-the-computational-capa...

Then there are people who think every Na, K, and Ca ion channel performs meaningful computation. They would say the brain has a capacity of 1 zettaFLOP/s. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2009.10615.pdf

Then there are computational researchers who just want to approximate what a neuron does. Their results say that neurons are more like whole 4-8 layer artificial networks. This would place the brain well somewhere in the yottaFLOP/s range https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-computationally-complex-i...

And we're learning more about how complex neurons are all the time. No one thinks the picture above is accurate in any way.

Then there are the extremists who think that there is something non-classical about our brains. That neurons individually or areas of the brain as a whole exploit some form of quantum computation. If they're right, we're not even remotely on the trajectory to matching brains, and very likely nothing we're doing today will ever pay off in that sense. Almost no one believes them.

Let's say the brain is in the zettaFLOP/s range. That's 10^21 FLOP/s. Training GPT-3 took 10^23 FLOPS total over 34 days. 34 days has 2937600 seconds. 10^23/10^7 is about 10^16 FLOP/s. So by this back of the envelope computation the brain has about 4 orders of magnitude more capacity, or 1000x. This makes a lot of sense, they're using a pettaFLOP/s supercomputer basically which we already knew. We'll have zettaFLOP/s supercomputers soon, yottaFLOP/s, people are worried we're going to hit some fundamental physical limits before we get there.

All of this is a simplification and there are problems with every one of these estimates.

But, in some sense none of it means anything at all. You can have an extremely efficient algorithm that runs 1 million times faster than an extremely inefficient algorithm. Machines and brains do not run the same "software", the same algorithms. So comparing their hardware directly doesn't say anything at all.

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

#59

So if this is true - which is a big if since this looks like speculation rather than real information - could this work with even smaller models? For example, what about 20 x 65B = 1.3T params? Or 100 x 13B = 1.3T params? Hell, what about 5000 x 13B params? Thousands of small highly specialized models, with maybe one small "categorization" model as the first pass?

Well at the end of the day you’ll also need a model for ranking the candidates, which becomes harder as the number of candidates grows. And the mean quality of any one candidate response will drop as the model size decreases, as will the max quality.

Re: GPT4 is 8 x 220B params = 1.7T params

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's a crypto scammer. Look up cheap eth

I mean that was marketed as a memecoin from the beginning. More so than doge even.

He added some code to give himself tons of it and didn't report it to anyone, dismissed it as a joke or something when it was found and then disappeared after hyping the project. Sound familiar?

To me he joins the ranks of the most basic shady crypto types.

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