Building a Slack/Discord alternative with Tauri/Rust

Post by notatoad » Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 10:36 PM UTC

JoshTriplett wrote: post #28

palata wrote: post #20

> One of the main core differences with Tauri is that it uses a Webview instead of using chromium like in Electron. This means that every desktop application doesn’t have to ship with chromium and can rely on the native browser’s webviews. The downside here is that because it is using Webview you have to deal with different quirks of different operating systems. ElectronJS is a cross-platform framework. It is bloated…

If you offer developers the choice of either embedding a whole web browser and not dealing with platform differences, or not embedding a whole web browser and dealing with differences between the now-evergreen browser engines on each major platform, many may pick the latter to be more user-friendly. I certainly would.

Post by tredre3 » Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 10:41 PM UTC

ezst wrote: post #36

littlestymaar wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why not going for a JVM-based technology? That's cross-platform, and it doesn't require a web browser / webview to show text. Because then you require the user to install a JVM?

You've been able to package your java apps so to not require that from your users for a very long time, and in the more recent years, with the compartmentalization of the JDK, you've been able to ship a very striped down version of it, and even more recently, an AOT compiled/PGO optimized binary, so nowadays you can ship your instant starting/low footprint/well performing java code without Java/a JVM.

Post by tredre3 » Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 10:50 PM UTC

ezst wrote: post #52

alberth wrote: post #35

Too bad Elixir/Rust wasn’t used. It seems to be the perfect platform for a communications service (and is also what Discord is built on). And before that, WhatsApps was strictly Erlang.

Anything that's not XMPP or based on it is inferior, IMO. And I'm not saying that for the troll (although it's easy to be dogmatic about such things). Facts are XMPP has awesome server implementations that scale to billions of users (as proven by WhatsApp/ejabberd), and developing new clients is made easy by the sheer number of libraries and platforms supported. XMPP is an established IETF standard that has a compact…

Post by szundi » Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 10:56 PM UTC

bastawhiz wrote: post #27

palata wrote: post #20

> One of the main core differences with Tauri is that it uses a Webview instead of using chromium like in Electron. This means that every desktop application doesn’t have to ship with chromium and can rely on the native browser’s webviews. The downside here is that because it is using Webview you have to deal with different quirks of different operating systems. ElectronJS is a cross-platform framework. It is bloated…

> why not going for a JVM-based technology? Not to pick on the JVM, but does anyone actually build new desktop software for the JVM that's meant to be downloaded and installed by mainstream consumers? Qt and other frameworks work pretty well (with their own flaws) but I'd simply never even consider the JVM as a viable option for desktop software. The last JVM app I installed was probably Minecraft in 2012.

Post by Solvency » Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 11:05 PM UTC

nosequel wrote: post #57

Solvency wrote: post #48

With Figma being so incredibly performant and robust as a web assembly app, why don't more apps turn to this approach instead?

Figma was started in 2012, while definitely successful, it wasn't exactly built quickly . C++ on WASM is performant, but probably not super easy to bootstrap a new project on.