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Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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I'm waiting for Putin to put a BTC price for oil.

BTC isn't optimal for small transactions, but it is useful for exchange among peers who have no trust in a 3rd party to fairly regulate trade (e.g. Sanctions)

If two nations bypassed banks with a system like BTC, then we would see what the point of BTC is.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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When people talk about Bitcoin's potential demise, they are referring to its price and perceived value, not whether it will cease to exist necessarily. Madoff also was not ultimately caught and his scheme ended because of the accounting fraud being revealed (i.e. the fraud was not that important). That happened later. He was caught because a market downturn resulted in him being unable to acquire new victims for the…

The longer Bitcoin's network continues to function, more and more people will become aware of its resiliency . Governments may topple; banks may fail; exchanges may go bust; Bitcoin keeps on ticking. As long as the network continues to function, Bitcoin will have a price.

The US government has been around for quite some time. The British pound, longer. It will take hundreds of years to compare to that level of resiliency.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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>Other than crime the only other use-case I've seen for crypto is for getting money into Russia Violating sanctions is a crime. Given the trend we've seen people should start getting used to being considered criminals. >What am I missing here? What are the cool things bitcoin does that something like visa cannot? It's easier to send Bitcoin to people without doxing myself than a visa transfer.

I've heard that crypto transactions can be more secure but I've also heard that securing information on the blockchain is basically impossible because it is a publicly available ledger. How does bitcoin opsec work exactly?

You just send it through a mixer beforehand. Also securing information is possible on the blockchain, Monero does it.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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That doesn't sound right. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Tire_money

Have you ever been to a Canadian Tires? CTM is used the same way you'd use Airline Miles or Credit Card Points.

Yes, I’m familiar with how it’s used. And its usage seems pretty clearly at odds with “People cannot create fiat currencies out of thin air without it being a crime”. (I could have used any number of other examples - WoW gold, Disney Dollars, etc.)

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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There are $5T of foreign exchange transactions per day. Btc is already getting traction in the developing world as a reliable currency and that is likely to grow under de-dollarization. The entire crypto market is about $1T right now of which btc is about half. There is so much space for Btc to grow as an option for international settlement, it's already working and trusted as much or more than many sovereign currenc…

> The Feds and the bankers hate it because it's a direct threat to their business model. There's no room for a middle man to fugazi in btc. Crypto has spawned their own classes of middle-men. At best, you have a changing of the guard - new boss, same as the old boss. At worst, you have traditional finance buying a stake in crypto and ending up in the exact dominant same spot they were before. And of course, all of th…

> At best, you have a changing of the guard - new boss, same as the old boss.

At best you send some of it directly to someone else with no trusted middleman, which is impossible to do over the internet with any other kind of system.

At worst you have a changing of the guard.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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Gold is pretty volatile too. Its price has gone up and down between 5x and 10x a few times in just the past century: https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-... -- no one sane would call it stable. And yet, despite its volatility, gold has been used as a store of value for millennia .

That is exactly why most people no longer use gold as a store of value and are instead using currencies that are much more less volatile. Meanwhile, Bitcoin alone has an annual volatility that is about an order of magnitude larger than gold's, and it's even worse in every other crypto token. None of these things come even close to qualifying for being a store of value.

I think you're confusing store of value with medium of exchange... most people don't really store value in currencies long term - usually they just keep enough to pay near term bills.

Stores of value are things like stocks, bonds, treasuries, real estate... and yeah commodities like gold and bitcoin. People don't care so much about volatility if they're planning to park their value there for a long time.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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"The longer Bitcoin survives, the more it will get adopted and integrated into the world's financial fabric," How long do we need to give Bitcoin a chance to gain mainstream adoption as its been 15 years already ? So far I don't see much real use except speculation, extortions, get rich quick scams and websites where you want to be anonymous. For the most part.

They follow it on CNBC and have for a while. It's as mainstream as any stock.

It's mainstream for trading. It's not mainstream for conducting transactions.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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Woof, lots of emotional and nigh incoherent responses to a pretty thoughtful little statement. Doesn't inspire confidence when the average response seems to boil down to a form of religious fervor. Which is too bad, seems like it would have been the perfect place for a thorough rebuttal.

Here's a decent rebuttal from Bloomberg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36411751

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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This is what most people got wrong. Crypto solves one problem and one problem only: censorship. Crypto is the only, single censorship resistant asset on the entire earth. You can't remove private key by force ($5 wrench is not an argument). You can confiscate land, stocks, freeze bank accounts, take gold. You can't extract a string of numbers which you aren't even sure is there in the first place. Not yet at least. M…

> Crypto solves one problem and one problem only: censorship It doesn't even do that properly, because there is no guarantee of service given by the system. Miners could just decide that they don't like you very much and refuse to process your TX. Or they could conspire to blackmail you: "pay us or your tokens are useless". Sure, someone might be willing to process your TX, or you could try to do it yourself, but tha…

>The only thing crypto "solves" is oversight by governments

Crypto only solves what it was designed to: A specific version of the byzantine generals problem. Turns out, nobody needed it solved.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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>> If this sounds far-fetched, consider that many smart and smart-sounding people have predicted Bitcoin's demise, and so far all have been utterly wrong Bernie Madoff pulled off one of the largest (literal Ponzi) scams and evidently stated that he started in the 1990s for a run of just over 15 years until being arrested in 2008, although some investigators thought that his fraudulent activities started as far back a…

The comparison to Madoff is not apt. Madoff hid losses by committing accounting fraud, whereas every single transaction in the Bitcoin network is visible to everyone and, moreover, cryptographically verifiable by everyone. As long as the distributed consensus algorithm continues to function, Bitcoin will continue to exist. Period. (Government regulations cannot kill it; they can only drive it underground, as with gol…

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