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Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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One side says "Bitcoin good!" I assume they all still hold bitcoin or dream of doing so. One side says "Bitcoin bad!" I assume they don't hold bitcoin. I think the idea is sexy, and it definitely harkens back to the earlier hacker/counterculture days of the interwebs. But I guess I will just sit on the sidelines. I don't even lament selling bitcoin at $300 any more. :)

I sold a bunch of BTC for $1 and bought a car with it. I used to regret that, the most expensive Ford Escort ever purchased. But now I feel like I dodged a bullet, I could have been one of those zealots that spent all day every day thinking about crypto, and I'm very glad I'm not.

Zealot or not, it sucks to miss out on having a few dozen millions. My cofounder also sold very early and he refrains from talking about it

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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Markets are not efficient much of the time. And Bitcoin even less so. Source; I make a living exploiting market inefficiencies.

His point stands though. The general public can't know exactly when Bitcoin will collapse, because if they could, it already would have collapsed.

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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He's not entirely correct. Crime is a major application but by far the largest use case for crypto is "investing" (gambling) in crypto.

The number one facilitator of crime/gambling is USD, might want to check your facts.

You are intentionally reversing the direction of the claim to be disingenuous here. By your logic, the number one facilitator of crime/gambling is also breathing air and drinking water, might want to check your facts.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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Well, you just said that's he's wrong. One "killer application" is that it's a "stable" store of value. Not perfectly stable, it can quickly fall by a factor of about 2, and if you buy in the worst bubble it might fall to a fourth of its value. That's decidedly less stable than Western currencies, but it's more stable than some others. And for many people Bitcoin is more accessible than the foreign exchange market. I…

So, it’s stable as long as you understand it is unstable, and helps people without access to banking but with a stable, constant internet connection and perfect operational security, access none of the benefits of having a bank account. Oh, and it’s actually neither of those but if you wish _reaaaaly_ hard and ignore all the practical problems, it might be, someday.

But it’s still a store of value. No store of value is perfect, USD will lose value over time to inflation, stock indices are subject to volatility, gold is subject to theft and volatility, other foreign currencies are subject to government corruption and hyper inflation, fine art is subject to fraud and damage, etc.

So as a store of value Bitcoin actually has a good track record and is trending towards lower volatility as adoption grows.

People really need to stop thinking in absolute terms regarding value storage. It’s analogous to energy storage. Batteries leak energy over time, but we don’t sit around yelling about how they are not stores of energy.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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John Reed Stark is their expert? https://twitter.com/JohnReedStark/status/1670457201943511040 "The only killer app for crypto that seems tangible is its excellent use to orchestrate global crimes." The bias is abundant, it's well known this guy hates crypto.

The killer app is financial freedom. If people chose to use that to commit crimes then that only proves they are criminals. Any sufficiently powerful tool can be used for good or evil.

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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Three highly speculative predictions: 1. The courts are more likely than not to rule that many crypto-assets -- but not all -- should be regulated as investments. It won't be fun for a lot of crypto traders. 2. Over time, the usual giant financial institutions are bound to become the dominant market makers in crypto-assets. In all likelihood, one of them will end up buying Coinbase. Those giant financial institutions…

>> If this sounds far-fetched, consider that many smart and smart-sounding people have predicted Bitcoin's demise, and so far all have been utterly wrong Bernie Madoff pulled off one of the largest (literal Ponzi) scams and evidently stated that he started in the 1990s for a run of just over 15 years until being arrested in 2008, although some investigators thought that his fraudulent activities started as far back a…

The year is 2023 and we still have people arguing this. Can you at least try to be creative with your critique of bitcoin instead of this lame one?

Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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With crypto trading platforms, the SEC lacks any sort of oversight and access — and has scant ability to detect, investigate and deter fraudulent conduct. As a result, the crypto marketplace operates without much supervision Isn't that the main idea of a decentralized currency? No doubt this has/does/will harbor criminal activity, but it will also foster the ability to exchange goods and services without third partie…

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Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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Sure - and the question is - do we as a society want to allow that, do we think it's worth the tradeoffs? Five years ago I think the answer was still "wait and see", I think it's reasonable by now to say "actually, no, it's not worth it".

Allow what exactly? Consenting individuals to risk what they want to risk with each other?

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Re: Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now'

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post #81

With crypto trading platforms, the SEC lacks any sort of oversight and access — and has scant ability to detect, investigate and deter fraudulent conduct. As a result, the crypto marketplace operates without much supervision Isn't that the main idea of a decentralized currency? No doubt this has/does/will harbor criminal activity, but it will also foster the ability to exchange goods and services without third partie…

This entire conversation is about centralized exchanges.

Trying to force centralization onto something that was fundamentally designed to be decentralized.
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