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Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by sorenjan »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #77
kouteiheika wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What would be the best learning site/resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that? Honestly? Probably YouTube tutorials.

Jaysus. I'm going to sound like an entitled whiny old guy shouting at clouds, but - what the hell; with all the knowledge being either locked and churned on Discord, or released in form of YouTube videos with no transcript and extremely low content density - how is anyone with a job supposed to keep up with this? Or is that a new form of gatekeeping - if you can't afford to burn a lot of time and attention as if in s…

Take a moment and go scroll through the examples at civitai.com. Does most of them strike you as something by people with jobs? Most of them are pretty juvenile, with pretty women and various anime girls.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by Lerc »

kouteiheika wrote: post #63
ewjt wrote: post #39

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Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless. This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples. It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.

> Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? In a nutshell: 1. Use a good checkpoint. Vanilla stable diffusion is relatively bad. There are plenty of good ones on civitai. Here's mine: https://civitai.com/models/94176 2. Use a good negative prompt with good textual inversions. (e.g. "ng_deepnegative_v1_75t", "verybadimagenegative_v1.3", etc.; you can download those from civitai too) Even if you have a good checkpoint t…

What kind of(and how much) data did you use to train your checkpoint?

I'd like to have a go at making one myself targeted towards single objects (be it car,spaceship, dinner plate, apple, octopus, etc). Most checkpoints are very heavily leaning towards people and portraits.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by [deleted] »

kouteiheika wrote: post #16

For reference, here's what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you're doing. I didn't do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt. 1st prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/T3nZ9bQy/1st.png 2nd prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/XNFm3dSs/2nd.png 3rd prompt: https:…

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Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by personjerry »

The analysis at the end seems to be lacking. From my perspective, PhotoShop and Midjourney come out on top in terms of aesthetic and accuracy, with kouteiheika's Stable Diffusion results[0] a close second. Dall-E falls far behind, which makes sense considering all the work that's gone in to the other systems to fine-tune and build ecosystems around them.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408744

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by sebzim4500 »

sorenjan wrote: post #91
TeMPOraL wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jaysus. I'm going to sound like an entitled whiny old guy shouting at clouds, but - what the hell; with all the knowledge being either locked and churned on Discord, or released in form of YouTube videos with no transcript and extremely low content density - how is anyone with a job supposed to keep up with this? Or is that a new form of gatekeeping - if you can't afford to burn a lot of time and attention as if in s…

Take a moment and go scroll through the examples at civitai.com. Does most of them strike you as something by people with jobs? Most of them are pretty juvenile, with pretty women and various anime girls.

Are you under the impression that people with jobs don't like pretty women and anime girls?

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

Miraste wrote: post #72
orbital-decay wrote: post #68

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Yet you are posting this in a thread where GP provided actual examples of the opposite. Look for another comment above/below, there are MJ-generated samples which are comparable but also less coherent than the result from a much smaller SD model. And in case of MJ hallucinations cannot be fixed. MJ is good but it isn't magic, it just provides quick results with little experience required; prompt understanding is stil…

There's a distinction to be made here. Everything that makes SD a powerful tool is the result of being open source. The actual models are significantly worse than Midjourney. If an MJ level model had the tooling SD does it would produce far better results.

Midjourney output all has the same look to it.

If you’re ok with basic aesthetics it’ll work but if you want something a bit less cringe or that will stand out in marketing it won’t cut it.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by Miraste »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #97
Miraste wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a distinction to be made here. Everything that makes SD a powerful tool is the result of being open source. The actual models are significantly worse than Midjourney. If an MJ level model had the tooling SD does it would produce far better results.

Midjourney output all has the same look to it. If you’re ok with basic aesthetics it’ll work but if you want something a bit less cringe or that will stand out in marketing it won’t cut it.

It only has the same look if it's not given any style keywords. I've been impressed with the output diversity once it's told what to do. It can handle a wide range of art styles.
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