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Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by orbital-decay »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #77
kouteiheika wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What would be the best learning site/resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that? Honestly? Probably YouTube tutorials.

Jaysus. I'm going to sound like an entitled whiny old guy shouting at clouds, but - what the hell; with all the knowledge being either locked and churned on Discord, or released in form of YouTube videos with no transcript and extremely low content density - how is anyone with a job supposed to keep up with this? Or is that a new form of gatekeeping - if you can't afford to burn a lot of time and attention as if in s…

How does anyone keep up with anything? It's a visual thing. A lot of people are learning drawing, modeling, animation etc in the exact same way - by watching YouTube (a bit) and experimenting (a lot).

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

#82

Post by kouteiheika »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #77
kouteiheika wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What would be the best learning site/resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that? Honestly? Probably YouTube tutorials.

Jaysus. I'm going to sound like an entitled whiny old guy shouting at clouds, but - what the hell; with all the knowledge being either locked and churned on Discord, or released in form of YouTube videos with no transcript and extremely low content density - how is anyone with a job supposed to keep up with this? Or is that a new form of gatekeeping - if you can't afford to burn a lot of time and attention as if in s…

I mostly agree, but in this case it can be genuinely useful to actually see the process of someone using the tool effectively.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

#83

Post by renewiltord »

kouteiheika wrote: post #63
ewjt wrote: post #39

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Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless. This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples. It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.

> Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? In a nutshell: 1. Use a good checkpoint. Vanilla stable diffusion is relatively bad. There are plenty of good ones on civitai. Here's mine: https://civitai.com/models/94176 2. Use a good negative prompt with good textual inversions. (e.g. "ng_deepnegative_v1_75t", "verybadimagenegative_v1.3", etc.; you can download those from civitai too) Even if you have a good checkpoint t…

Thank you. I assume there's some community somewhere where people discuss this stuff. Do you know where that is? Or did you just learn this from disparate sources?

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

#84

Post by TeMPOraL »

orbital-decay wrote: post #81
TeMPOraL wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jaysus. I'm going to sound like an entitled whiny old guy shouting at clouds, but - what the hell; with all the knowledge being either locked and churned on Discord, or released in form of YouTube videos with no transcript and extremely low content density - how is anyone with a job supposed to keep up with this? Or is that a new form of gatekeeping - if you can't afford to burn a lot of time and attention as if in s…

How does anyone keep up with anything? It's a visual thing. A lot of people are learning drawing, modeling, animation etc in the exact same way - by watching YouTube (a bit) and experimenting (a lot).

Picking images from generated sets is a visual thing. Tweaking ControlNet might be too (IDK, I've never got a chance to use it - partly because of what I'm whining about here). However, writing prompts, fine-tuning models, assembling pipelines, renting GPUs, figuring out which software to use for what, where to get the weights, etc. - none of this is visual. It's pretty much programming and devops.

I can't see how covering this on YouTube, instead of (vs. in addition to) writing text + some screenshots and diagrams, makes any kind of sense.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by kouteiheika »

renewiltord wrote: post #83
kouteiheika wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? In a nutshell: 1. Use a good checkpoint. Vanilla stable diffusion is relatively bad. There are plenty of good ones on civitai. Here's mine: https://civitai.com/models/94176 2. Use a good negative prompt with good textual inversions. (e.g. "ng_deepnegative_v1_75t", "verybadimagenegative_v1.3", etc.; you can download those from civitai too) Even if you have a good checkpoint t…

Thank you. I assume there's some community somewhere where people discuss this stuff. Do you know where that is? Or did you just learn this from disparate sources?

> I assume there's some community somewhere where people discuss this stuff. Do you know where that is? Or did you just learn this from disparate sources?

I learned this mostly by experimenting + browsing civitai and seeing what works + googling as I go + watching a few tutorials on YouTube (e.g. inpainting or controlnet can be tricky as there are a lot of options and it's not really obvious how/when to use them, so it's nice to actually watch someone else use them effectively).

I don't really have any particular place I could recommend to discuss this stuff, but I suppose /r/StableDiffusion/ on Reddit is decent.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by bavell »

renewiltord wrote: post #83
kouteiheika wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? In a nutshell: 1. Use a good checkpoint. Vanilla stable diffusion is relatively bad. There are plenty of good ones on civitai. Here's mine: https://civitai.com/models/94176 2. Use a good negative prompt with good textual inversions. (e.g. "ng_deepnegative_v1_75t", "verybadimagenegative_v1.3", etc.; you can download those from civitai too) Even if you have a good checkpoint t…

Thank you. I assume there's some community somewhere where people discuss this stuff. Do you know where that is? Or did you just learn this from disparate sources?

Pretty good reddit community, lots of (N/SFW) models and content on CivitAI. Took me a weekend to get setup and generating images. I've been getting good results on my AMD 6750XT with A1111 (vladmandic's fork).

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

#87

Post by bavell »

kouteiheika wrote: post #56
jfdi wrote: post #21

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Nice! Would you mind sharing which stable diff you used / where you obtained from?

I'm using my own custom trained model. Here, I've uploaded it to civitai: https://civitai.com/models/94176 There are plenty of other good models too though.

Any tips or guides you followed on training your custom model? I've done a few LoRAs and TI but haven't gotten to my own models yet. Your results look great and I'd love a little insight into how you arrived there and what methods/tools you used.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

#88

Post by bavell »

Miraste wrote: post #72
orbital-decay wrote: post #68

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Yet you are posting this in a thread where GP provided actual examples of the opposite. Look for another comment above/below, there are MJ-generated samples which are comparable but also less coherent than the result from a much smaller SD model. And in case of MJ hallucinations cannot be fixed. MJ is good but it isn't magic, it just provides quick results with little experience required; prompt understanding is stil…

There's a distinction to be made here. Everything that makes SD a powerful tool is the result of being open source. The actual models are significantly worse than Midjourney. If an MJ level model had the tooling SD does it would produce far better results.

> If an MJ level model had the tooling SD does it would produce far better results

And vice versa, which is the exciting part to me - only a matter of time!

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by bavell »

orbital-decay wrote: post #47
ewjt wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless. This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples. It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.

Are you using txt2img with the vanilla model? SD's actual value is in the large array of higher-order input methods and tooling; as a tradeoff, it requires more knowledge. Similarly to 3D CGI, it's a highly technical area. You don't just enter the prompt with it. You can finetune it on your own material, or choose one of the hundreds of public finetuned models. You can guide it in a precise manner with a sketch or by…

ComfyUI is a nice complement to A1111, the node-based editor is great for prototyping and saving workflows.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

#90

Post by bavell »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #77
kouteiheika wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What would be the best learning site/resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that? Honestly? Probably YouTube tutorials.

Jaysus. I'm going to sound like an entitled whiny old guy shouting at clouds, but - what the hell; with all the knowledge being either locked and churned on Discord, or released in form of YouTube videos with no transcript and extremely low content density - how is anyone with a job supposed to keep up with this? Or is that a new form of gatekeeping - if you can't afford to burn a lot of time and attention as if in s…

I've been playing with SD for a few months now and have only watched 20-30m of YT videos about it. There's only a few worth spending any time watching, and they're on specific workflows or techniques.

Best just to dive in if you're interested IMO. Otherwise you'll get lost in all the new jargon and ideas. Great place to start is the A1111 repo, lot of community resources available and batteries included.

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