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Codespaces but open-source, client-only, and unopinionated

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Re: Codespaces but open-source, client-only, and unopinionated

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Post by inglor »

KronisLV wrote: post #30
CGamesPlay wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Docker compose is a pretty poor development environment experience. Constantly having to rebuild containers to recompile dependencies; dealing with permissions differences for volume mounts; having to modify all the scripts to start with "docker compose run --rm"; having to deal with no shell history or dot files in the application containers... it leaves a lot to be desired.

> Constantly having to rebuild containers to recompile dependencies; How often is this actually necessary? I've had projects that stick with the same dependencies for weeks/months and don't need anything new added outside of periodic version updates. There, most of the changes were the actual code, that was needed for shipping business functionality. Furthermore, with layer caching, re-building isn't always a very bi…

> How often is this actually necessary?

Think "I have several teams and the output of 'team a' is a dependency of 'team b'" and 'team a' needs to release twice a day".

Re: Codespaces but open-source, client-only, and unopinionated

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Post by nkko »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #9

What are some of the competitors in this space? - Gitpod, a SaaS competitor to Codespaces. http://gitpod.io - Coder, which I guess is the more enterprisey self-hosted Codespaces alternative? https://coder.com - This project, Devpod, seems to be a polished experience but not centralized like Coder. - I recently stumbled upon Recode, which looks like a more indie take on the problem. https://github.com/recode-sh/cli

https://www.daytona.io is currently in stealth preparing to launch. You could grab early access by joining the waitlist.

Re: Codespaces but open-source, client-only, and unopinionated

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #9

What are some of the competitors in this space? - Gitpod, a SaaS competitor to Codespaces. http://gitpod.io - Coder, which I guess is the more enterprisey self-hosted Codespaces alternative? https://coder.com - This project, Devpod, seems to be a polished experience but not centralized like Coder. - I recently stumbled upon Recode, which looks like a more indie take on the problem. https://github.com/recode-sh/cli

Bridge to K8s, CloudShell Editor, Cloud Code, Coder, DevSpace, Eclipse Che, Garden, GitPod, GitHub Codespaces, ksync, Kubectl-warp, Nocalhost, Okteto, Squash, Stern, Skaffold, Telepresence, Tilt

Re: Codespaces but open-source, client-only, and unopinionated

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Post by KronisLV »

inglor wrote: post #41
KronisLV wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Constantly having to rebuild containers to recompile dependencies; How often is this actually necessary? I've had projects that stick with the same dependencies for weeks/months and don't need anything new added outside of periodic version updates. There, most of the changes were the actual code, that was needed for shipping business functionality. Furthermore, with layer caching, re-building isn't always a very bi…

> How often is this actually necessary? Think "I have several teams and the output of 'team a' is a dependency of 'team b'" and 'team a' needs to release twice a day".

> ...and 'team a' needs to release twice a day"

That's quite the fast paced environment! In that case the shortcoming seems like a valid pain point, provided that you need to launch everything locally with debugging (e.g. breakpoints/instrumentation) vs just downloading a new container version and running it.

Re: Codespaces but open-source, client-only, and unopinionated

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Post by evantbyrne »

22c wrote: post #14
CGamesPlay wrote: post #9

What are some of the competitors in this space? - Gitpod, a SaaS competitor to Codespaces. http://gitpod.io - Coder, which I guess is the more enterprisey self-hosted Codespaces alternative? https://coder.com - This project, Devpod, seems to be a polished experience but not centralized like Coder. - I recently stumbled upon Recode, which looks like a more indie take on the problem. https://github.com/recode-sh/cli

It's a lot older but I would say Vagrant intersects with this space https://github.com/hashicorp/vagrant Possibly devenv, as well.. Though I haven't personally tried it https://devenv.sh/

Vagrant was fantastic pre-Docker and is still arguably more useful for certain cases, but I recall having issues running it last I tried. Based on the website, VirtualBox still lacks stable ARM64 support. Would "boxes" downloaded from the Vagrant cloud need to be built for ARM64 as well, or does it emulate?

Re: Codespaces but open-source, client-only, and unopinionated

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Post by dharmab »

evantbyrne wrote: post #46
22c wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a lot older but I would say Vagrant intersects with this space https://github.com/hashicorp/vagrant Possibly devenv, as well.. Though I haven't personally tried it https://devenv.sh/

Vagrant was fantastic pre-Docker and is still arguably more useful for certain cases, but I recall having issues running it last I tried. Based on the website, VirtualBox still lacks stable ARM64 support. Would "boxes" downloaded from the Vagrant cloud need to be built for ARM64 as well, or does it emulate?

It does not emulate. My org has been deprecating Vagrant ever since IT started issuing Apple Silicon as an option. Replacement is Docker Compose, or cloud VMs for software with heavy disk I/O.

Re: Codespaces but open-source, client-only, and unopinionated

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Post by gentele »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #40

I'm glad this space is expanding. This is created by the authors of Loft.sh and Devspaces, both really great solutions to the most common problems of developing natively in a K8s cluster. DevPod is basically Vagrant but with containers, which brings a ton of benefits over the former VM-centric design. You can maintain an entire team (or organization) with one immutable development environment, to get away from the co…

Thanks for opening an issue! We'll definitely look into that. Would love to learn more about your experiences with DevSpace as well. If you're open to chatting, reach out via slack or via lukas [at] loft [dot] sh

Re: Codespaces but open-source, client-only, and unopinionated

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Post by pcthrowaway »

dharmab wrote: post #47
evantbyrne wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vagrant was fantastic pre-Docker and is still arguably more useful for certain cases, but I recall having issues running it last I tried. Based on the website, VirtualBox still lacks stable ARM64 support. Would "boxes" downloaded from the Vagrant cloud need to be built for ARM64 as well, or does it emulate?

It does not emulate. My org has been deprecating Vagrant ever since IT started issuing Apple Silicon as an option. Replacement is Docker Compose, or cloud VMs for software with heavy disk I/O.

Do you know if Packer is still decent for building cloud AMIs? Or do you have any suggestion for building custom images that can run on cloud platforms as well as locally?
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