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Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by Marsymars »

acomjean wrote: post #421
asdgaisofgnoi wrote: post #396

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For the large majority of driving PHEVs are superior. They offer identical efficiency for short (<50 mile) trips at a large cost savings. They can handle longish trips where a BEV would wind up dead on the side of the road. Even in the rare circumstances where BEVs are better the advantages are slight.

Hybrids are great. There are downsides: extra weight of a gas engine, more mechanical complexity, and weird maintenance, especially if its an gas engine your not using very often. The person I know who has one went a couple months without using much gas. Does gas go bad?

It does, but smart cars can use pretty simple math to work out how old your gas is and burn gas as needed to keep the age of your gas low enough.

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Post by Alupis »

NickM wrote: post #137
saalweachter wrote: post #119

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I'm a little confused by fast charging standards, to be honest. 1MW is 20x the maximum draw of a standard house, and 800x the average draw of a US house. The hydro plant down the road generates 5MW. It just sounds crazy to plan to pull that much power charging a car at a time.

DC charging stations sometimes have batteries on site so that they can charge up from the grid and then deliver bursts of power from the batteries during charging. Apparently this is often worth it to avoid the high demand fees that utilities charge when you draw a lot of power at once. I assume this will become more ubiquitous as charging speeds continue to increase. (You're right that a megawatt is a high power dra…

The problem is obvious though, isn't it? Our current infrastructure simply cannot handle a ton of EV's all wanting to charge up all day long - as is done currently with gas stations all over the country.

It'll take decades to bring our infrastructure up to where it needs to be to support this - yet people act like we're already there. Some states still struggle just to keep the lights on during major parts of the year...

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by gibolt »

pathartl wrote: post #22

I'm not an EV user, so I need some clarification. Is NACS actually a better connector? Or is it just more abundant at the moment? Technology Connections did a deep dive on CCS and it seems like it's a more flexible connector with a truly open standard. The argument for NACS I've seen is that it's a little sleeker (does this really matter all that much?) and it's already on Tesla's supercharger network.

NACS can be plugged in one handed by a child. CCS1 needs perfect alignment which can be a struggle for a large man using 2 hands in optimal conditions.

NACS cables are lighter and thinner, which really matters when it is cold and the cables harden.

This article shows some visual comparisons: https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-opens-charging-connect...

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by meragrin_ »

sangnoir wrote: post #481
mattmaroon wrote: post #467

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Seems like it’s happening without government intervention. It’s hard to imagine now that Ford, GM, and Tesla are on the same standard that the rest will not follow suit.

> Seems like it’s happening without government intervention The federal government has definitely "intervened" by incentivizing interoperability through a $7.5B carrot[1] for interoperable charging networks. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408329

So why is everyone fleeing the North American standards J1772/CCS1 in favor of Tesla's? What do these car companies stand to gain switching the charging port? They don't own charging networks.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by Marsymars »

erikstarck wrote: post #195
dagmx wrote: post #112

I’m glad there finally seems to be a push to a better standard in North America. I’m really curious how this affects Teslas market share though going forward. Their supercharger network is why we continue with them despite countless other issues. It’s their biggest moat as far as I’m concerned. Now I have significantly more options, and my next car will not be a Tesla. I’m sure I’m not alone in that. Is the brand nam…

First of all, the mission of Tesla is to transition the world to sustainable energy. If you believe them, that should be enough. But, second of all, this also makes business sense. Everyone will have to use the Tesla app, where they can get targeted offers and become a kind of "Tesla Light" customers. People wonder why Tesla doesn't advertise. Well, with these deals, the need for advertising is a lot less than withou…

> Everyone will have to use the Tesla app, where they can get targeted offers

This sounds like a dystopian nightmare. I have no interest in charging an EV where using an app is a requirement.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Marsymars wrote: post #493
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #344

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On street parking is very much allowed only in some countries, the biggest one being the USA, but much of western Europe it is disallowed (or at least, you pay for it by the hour). Many countries require proof of parking spot before they will let you even buy a car. Even in that case, it isn't hard for cities to put out L2 charging pylons at each on-street parking space. They can just combine it with street light inf…

> Even in that case, it isn't hard for cities to put out L2 charging pylons at each on-street parking space. How does this work for physical logistics? e.g. I’m a two-car household that can’t practically reduce to a single car, with a driveway that only fits one car. (That my partner uses.) I street park in front of my house, and there’s street/sidewalk/lawn. The only place I can think of to put a charging station is…

Are your electric lines all buried? I guess if they are that would make it much more difficult. Otherwise, you have poles or something to keep the lines in the air.

I'm just amazed America has so much free parking still. People buy houses, even if they have garages, they use the garage as storage and park their car on the street. Having lived in other countries where that simply can't happen, its like this country practically gives away parking spaces for free.

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Post by Marsymars »

samstave wrote: post #463
dagmx wrote: post #112

I’m glad there finally seems to be a push to a better standard in North America. I’m really curious how this affects Teslas market share though going forward. Their supercharger network is why we continue with them despite countless other issues. It’s their biggest moat as far as I’m concerned. Now I have significantly more options, and my next car will not be a Tesla. I’m sure I’m not alone in that. Is the brand nam…

#1 ; MAKE ALL PLUGINS A STANDARD. FULL FN STOP #2 ; PROVIDE A RECEIPT OF WHERE THAT POWER CAME FROM. FULL FN STOP Where is that energy produced, what are the inputs? How much FN fuel was consumed to deliver that energy to the energy-plant which fed the port to which my e-car hooked up to, WHO TH HECK IS CALCULATING THIS DATA?

> #2 ; PROVIDE A RECEIPT OF WHERE THAT POWER CAME FROM. FULL FN STOP

This isn’t really possible other than in a probabilistic sense, you can’t keep track of where particular electrons are in the grid.

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Post by vel0city »

flutas wrote: post #243
pkulak wrote: post #234

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I’ve personally enjoyed auto steer on every car I’ve driven not a Tesla. Some let you keep your hands off the wheel, and none of them phantom break every couple hundred miles, which is the ultimate deal breaker.

> I’ve personally enjoyed auto steer on every car I’ve driven not a Tesla. Some let you keep your hands off the wheel, and none of them phantom break every couple hundred miles, which is the ultimate deal breaker. I'm actually curious what systems you're using. I have very limited experience, I have a M3 and a 21 Corolla with Toyota's version. My M3 has never once just given up on the lanes and stopped steering, but…

I've used Hyundai's adaptive cruse control on an older model. It doesn't do anything with the steering wheel, but it beeps when you leave the lane without using a turn signal. As far as tracking the speed of the cars in front of you and coming to a complete stop in traffic, it works great. I've never had a phantom braking incident with many thousands of miles driven on that mode. But that's not auto-steering at all.

I've used Blue Cruise a good bit which supports hands-off modes. This system works very well on highways hands-free. It seems to want me to put my hands back on the wheel when approaching the toll gantries and goes back to hands-free a few seconds after the toll gantry, but otherwise I've been able to go well over 100 miles at a time without touching the wheel or brakes. I've never had any kind of phantom braking situation or slow downs, it works well in stop and go traffic, and has overall been a great experience.

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Post by wilg »

015a wrote: post #401
wilg wrote: post #280

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Market share isn't a good metric for a company that started out with 100% market share and therefore has nowhere to go but down. I think Tesla will continue to be successful selling cars and grow the number of cars they sell at a high rate. Also, it sounds like this move is a really good incentive from a product perspective. If there really are a significant of people who only chose Tesla because of Superchargers, th…

I legit believe that many people in these threads haven't learned that the Model Y is the best selling vehicle in North America during 2023-Q1 [1]. Not just best selling EV, or best selling crossover; best selling vehicle . It outsold the Corrola, at half the price. This is not a situation of "oh Tesla will continue to do well, they'll sell cars" or "what's their moat? they're finished": They are #1. Dozens of compet…

I agree, though the data is not exactly apples-to-apples because Tesla sells fewer models (which is probably a good thing).

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Post by tormeh »

Marsymars wrote: post #493
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On street parking is very much allowed only in some countries, the biggest one being the USA, but much of western Europe it is disallowed (or at least, you pay for it by the hour). Many countries require proof of parking spot before they will let you even buy a car. Even in that case, it isn't hard for cities to put out L2 charging pylons at each on-street parking space. They can just combine it with street light inf…

> Even in that case, it isn't hard for cities to put out L2 charging pylons at each on-street parking space. How does this work for physical logistics? e.g. I’m a two-car household that can’t practically reduce to a single car, with a driveway that only fits one car. (That my partner uses.) I street park in front of my house, and there’s street/sidewalk/lawn. The only place I can think of to put a charging station is…

Depends. In Japan you're only allowed to buy a car if you have a free parking space on your property. A police office will come by your home to verify that the number of parking spots on your property is enough to house all the cars you plan on having. So in this case you would just have to deal with only having one car, or pave over the lawn to fit another parking spot.
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