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Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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UK's cost of living went through the roof and quality of life has decreased dramatically. It became a third-world country with first-world prices. I wouldn't recommend it at the moment.

are you living in UK now? can you share your perspective and why you think it became a third-world country with first-world prices?

Still in the UK, albeit not for much longer unless something changes dramatically.

I say it feels like a third-world country because the usual luxuries you associate with a first-world country such as good infrastructure, law and order, a working healthcare system, etc are no longer there, yet you still pay for them (in the form of taxes).

People in important industries are striking because they can no longer afford to live. As a result those industries collapse. Medicine is especially bad - if you have any kind of health issue you must go private (and be able to afford it) if you don't want to lose your sanity and/or die while waiting for the NHS to actually do what it's meant to do.

The cost of living crisis has put everyone on edge - the general optimism that was felt around before the pandemic is no longer there. Businesses are closing left and right (I've seen multiple repossession notices on commercial property, businesses are outright failing and defaulting on their rents).

I have noticed more homelessness as well as general antisocial/criminal behavior; it's not a surprise, people are either pushed to the edge (where the risk/reward ratio of crime starts being worthwhile) or are finally catching on that law enforcement is dysfunctional and take advantage.

Property prices, especially rents are through the roof. Renting the same standard of property I currently have would cost me over twice as much - I'm actually wondering who is providing the demand for those units considering how bad the economy is... oligarchs? Property standards have always been terrible, so you must go upmarket and pay the overinflated rents if you don't want to live in a moldy shack that looks like a museum exhibit and will bankrupt you on heating bills alone. Buying outright makes no sense considering you can get much higher standards anywhere in Europe for the same price.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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I've lived in nearly every EU country mentioned here. Almost everyone is wrong. The only European country worth considering is Switzerland, all the rest come with serious shortcomings: - UK: Dystopian, collapsing infrastructure, London is super-expensive. - Germany: Salaries are not generally high, taxation/bureaucracy/housing in the desirable parts. - Ireland: High taxes, extreme dysfunction, crazy housing costs. -…

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Self taught makes it difficult in Germany unless you have demonstrable and very good experience to show or have excellent references. Might be easier for startups, but for corporates you'll be likely filtered immediately without a bachelor's/master's. Also good luck finding a reasonably priced flat in metropolitan areas. Salaries are a lot lower than in the US, 100k+ are uncommon even among C-levels.

Comparing US and EU salaries is comparing apples to oranges. US salaries are higher, but in UE you have barely free healtcare, schooling until the university and also a generous welfare.

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If it's strictly EU, I'd say probably Denmark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_... But you mention Switzerland which is not in the EU, so maybe you just meant Europe? Ireland is a little lower on the list but has a large number of European HQs of big companies like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, Paypal, AirBnb etc. But the price of housing here is extortionate right now. Consider the…

Denmark is crazy expensive and they have an huge real estate bubble that is going to explode, especially in CPH

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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I've lived in nearly every EU country mentioned here. Almost everyone is wrong. The only European country worth considering is Switzerland, all the rest come with serious shortcomings: - UK: Dystopian, collapsing infrastructure, London is super-expensive. - Germany: Salaries are not generally high, taxation/bureaucracy/housing in the desirable parts. - Ireland: High taxes, extreme dysfunction, crazy housing costs. -…

I will not deny that the countries you listed have several shortcomings, but accusing countries of extreme dysfunction and then, just a few sentences later, recommending the US made me laugh. If someone only cares about making as much money as possible, then sure the US is probably one of the best countries for that. Personally, I would consider factors like health care, police that is not homicidal, social safety net and other public services much higher.

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Switzerland, Zurich has lots of tech jobs and great salaries. It's not officially Europe but easy enough to work here if you have an EU passport / have 3yrs of industry experience. I'm on 200k here

Nitpick: It is officially Europe but not EU

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If you're just focusing in the European Union, it's definitely Ireland. Stripe, Square, Microsoft, Google, etc will all pay more in Ireland than they pay in any other EU country. The problem with Ireland is that you will get no real benefit from the taxes you pay. If you have family, you'll probably be better off moving to Germany or the Netherlands. There are some serious tax benefits for couples and parents. You wi…

> it’s definitely Ireland Crazy expensive housing, and lot of people cannot even find a place after 6 months moving into the country. Please if someone wants to move to ireland, research about housing first.

In fairness, op asked for high compensation, not cheap housing.

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> it’s definitely Ireland Crazy expensive housing, and lot of people cannot even find a place after 6 months moving into the country. Please if someone wants to move to ireland, research about housing first.

In fairness, op asked for high compensation, not cheap housing.

And op will be paying more than 40% of his high compensation in rent only (in dublin/ cork / limrick)

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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Switzerland, Zurich has lots of tech jobs and great salaries. It's not officially Europe but easy enough to work here if you have an EU passport / have 3yrs of industry experience. I'm on 200k here

Nitpick: It is officially Europe but not EU

Switzerland is in the question though and the topic is free movement as a worker, so obviously anywhere in the Schengen Area is on topic.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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Based on my research, either Switzerland or London? Even better, work remotely for a US company? Developer's salary in SF/NYC are unlike anywhere else in the world.

> work remotely for a US company?

I'm looking into it, do you have any tips on how to?

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