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Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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Switzerland, Zurich has lots of tech jobs and great salaries. It's not officially Europe but easy enough to work here if you have an EU passport / have 3yrs of industry experience. I'm on 200k here

is that a faang job? I don't think "ordinary" coder jobs pay that much even in Zurich but I have interviewed only briefly there..

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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I've lived in nearly every EU country mentioned here. Almost everyone is wrong. The only European country worth considering is Switzerland, all the rest come with serious shortcomings:

- UK: Dystopian, collapsing infrastructure, London is super-expensive.

- Germany: Salaries are not generally high, taxation/bureaucracy/housing in the desirable parts.

- Ireland: High taxes, extreme dysfunction, crazy housing costs.

- Netherlands: High taxes and insane wealth tax on your savings and investments based on fictitious assumed rate of return. With current inflation, if you want to build wealth, NL should be last on the list.

- Sweden/Norway: Average (not high) salaries, high cost of living, high taxes.

- Spain/Portugal/Italy/Greece: Low salaries, high taxes, extreme dysfunction.

- Belgium/Luxemburg: Salaries can be higher than average, but I found living there depressing. Cost of living is high.

TL;DR Go to Switzerland. Better yet, move to US. There's no country in Europe that comes close.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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Switzerland, Zurich has lots of tech jobs and great salaries. It's not officially Europe but easy enough to work here if you have an EU passport / have 3yrs of industry experience. I'm on 200k here

Which sectors do you see at 200k+? Seems like a general problem that the large banks pay 250k+ but don't have very interesting work.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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I've lived in nearly every EU country mentioned here. Almost everyone is wrong. The only European country worth considering is Switzerland, all the rest come with serious shortcomings: - UK: Dystopian, collapsing infrastructure, London is super-expensive. - Germany: Salaries are not generally high, taxation/bureaucracy/housing in the desirable parts. - Ireland: High taxes, extreme dysfunction, crazy housing costs. -…

> Ireland: High taxes, extreme dysfunction, crazy housing costs.

Totally agree with you on this. The country is on a verge of collapse, I have been trying to switch rental apartment and its been 6 months that i am sending my references and no one has even responded to me. If i get evicted from my place, i will have to move out of the country. Its mental, nothing works. My wife is waiting for her driving test date, she has applied online 3 months ago and she hasn’t even gotten a date yet. Same goes for most government services.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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If it's strictly EU, I'd say probably Denmark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_... But you mention Switzerland which is not in the EU, so maybe you just meant Europe? Ireland is a little lower on the list but has a large number of European HQs of big companies like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, Paypal, AirBnb etc. But the price of housing here is extortionate right now. Consider the…

Your wikipedia reference doea not mention Luxembourg. The median salary is more than 20 percent higher than danmark https://today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/a/2007306.html and taxes are much lower here too.

Housing is expensive, but that seems to be a global trend.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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Anecdotally, seems there's a lot of British and European expats here in the Valley and they don't seem too keen on returning. We've been getting a lot of international applicants (but work from home was supposed to mean Europeans could avoid moving to the "dangerous" US but work for American companies?). Post 2016 the messaging from most commonwealth countries (UK, Canada, Australia) seemed to be that they were going…

Worth keeping in mind that the UK is third for tech after the US and China. Like, it'd be ridiculous to say the UK stands a chance of properly competing with the US, but it outcompetes basically everyone else who isn't a continent-scale megastate.

Seems kind of irrelevant as an employee; my coworkers who went to a Chinese employer have regrets. Working for the hotel California I've had happy coworkers in Canada, Ireland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Czech Republic and Italy.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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If you're just focusing in the European Union, it's definitely Ireland. Stripe, Square, Microsoft, Google, etc will all pay more in Ireland than they pay in any other EU country. The problem with Ireland is that you will get no real benefit from the taxes you pay. If you have family, you'll probably be better off moving to Germany or the Netherlands. There are some serious tax benefits for couples and parents. You wi…

> it’s definitely Ireland

Crazy expensive housing, and lot of people cannot even find a place after 6 months moving into the country. Please if someone wants to move to ireland, research about housing first.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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UK's cost of living went through the roof and quality of life has decreased dramatically. It became a third-world country with first-world prices. I wouldn't recommend it at the moment.

are you living in UK now? can you share your perspective and why you think it became a third-world country with first-world prices?

I live in London and think it’s a fairly correct statement. The conservative government basically imploded as a result of Brexit. We’ve had 4 PMs in the space of a few years, each more degenerate than the last. Covid further enabled cronyism and corruption. Honestly it feels like an Eastern European country with the way the government has gone.

I’m still optimistic that things will improve after the tories lose their grip in the next election.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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I've lived in nearly every EU country mentioned here. Almost everyone is wrong. The only European country worth considering is Switzerland, all the rest come with serious shortcomings: - UK: Dystopian, collapsing infrastructure, London is super-expensive. - Germany: Salaries are not generally high, taxation/bureaucracy/housing in the desirable parts. - Ireland: High taxes, extreme dysfunction, crazy housing costs. -…

Really enjoyed reading your thoughts there. Seems accurate for the couple I am familiar with. When you say collapsing infrastructure for the UK, I'd be curious to know what you mean?

Also for moving to the US, I don't know if you have any insight on the easiest pathway, would I be right in saying that getting a job in FAANG+ type company and L1B internal transfer after a year is the easiest way to do it?

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

#40
Self taught makes it difficult in Germany unless you have demonstrable and very good experience to show or have excellent references. Might be easier for startups, but for corporates you'll be likely filtered immediately without a bachelor's/master's.

Also good luck finding a reasonably priced flat in metropolitan areas.

Salaries are a lot lower than in the US, 100k+ are uncommon even among C-levels.

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