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Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not parent poster, but Swiss citizen having lived in London for past 2 years, my wife is a healthcare worker for the NHS. There are def. signs that human suffering of substantial parts of the population has dramatically increased over the last years. Here‘s what I can see: - Substantial energy bill increases: For us at least 100% over last year. Media is full of stories of people not being able to heat their homes -…

Anecdotally, seems there's a lot of British and European expats here in the Valley and they don't seem too keen on returning. We've been getting a lot of international applicants (but work from home was supposed to mean Europeans could avoid moving to the "dangerous" US but work for American companies?). Post 2016 the messaging from most commonwealth countries (UK, Canada, Australia) seemed to be that they were going…

Worth keeping in mind that the UK is third for tech after the US and China. Like, it'd be ridiculous to say the UK stands a chance of properly competing with the US, but it outcompetes basically everyone else who isn't a continent-scale megastate.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you living in UK now? can you share your perspective and why you think it became a third-world country with first-world prices?

Not parent poster, but Swiss citizen having lived in London for past 2 years, my wife is a healthcare worker for the NHS. There are def. signs that human suffering of substantial parts of the population has dramatically increased over the last years. Here‘s what I can see: - Substantial energy bill increases: For us at least 100% over last year. Media is full of stories of people not being able to heat their homes -…

NHS service levels are a real issue. The NHS has actually collapsed and unfortunately the population is in denial about this because being honest about the causes is difficult, ideologically.

It has been bleeding staff to Australia/NZ for many years, that isn't something new. A more proximate cause was the forced vaccinations of care home staff. Social care was already seriously short staffed pre-2020 and lack of social care capacity was a long term oft-discussed problem. The mandates however took a serious problem and turned it into a catastrophe. They caused an exodus that pushed the sector into absolute unavailability and consequent high levels of bed blocking due to inability to discharge patients back into the community. In turn that causes ambulances to stack up waiting for beds. It also trashed the ability to recruit new people to the sector, as care home work was already minimum wage and now comes with the significant downside that you may be forced to take experimental medical products you don't want regardless of side effects.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/social-care/warning-many-c...

It is estimated that tens of thousands of care home staff left their jobs because of the policy, leading to “immense workforce pressures” and contributing to the “most serious staffing crisis for decades”, according to Vic Rayner, chief executive of the National Care Forum (NCF), which brings together 160 of the UK’s social care organisation. Other results showed the negative impact around recruitment, with 94% of respondents stating they thought the policy had made this more difficult.

The mandates weren't supported by any RCT evidence and turned out to be useless. The costs of this policy are now being borne in the form of deaths that could have been avoided if only ambulances got there in time. People are avoiding recognizing this because so many Brits were all-in on mandates and wanted more. Those who warned of the consequences were treated horribly and deplatformed with wild abandon: now the chickens have come home to roost and nobody wants to admit what they've done.

With respect to the other problems, they are an issue all over Europe. Here's a comparison of UK vs EU inflation:

https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-kingdom-...

Energy price rises are likewise the same. Trading Economics can't compare energy inflation for the UK vs EU specifically, so here's a comparison with Germany:

https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-kingdom-...

Again, it's the same. The cause is Nord Stream and sanctions against Russia, of course.

There is no plan or ideas in place from government to improve things. Given the poor quality of the media here, typically the ley workers themselves are blamed (tube drivers, healthcare staff, etc)

Of course there's no plan or ideas. Except for energy these problems are a direct consequence of the COVID measures which can't be undone now, and which were systematically cheered on or demanded by healthcare staff themselves. The government's wonderful "independent" inquiry looks set to conclude the only mistakes were to not lock down harder, more and earlier so the idea of learning any lessons here is for the birds. The UK will continue to destroy its own healthcare and social care systems until the population accepts that they have the wrong approach.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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If you're just focusing in the European Union, it's definitely Ireland. Stripe, Square, Microsoft, Google, etc will all pay more in Ireland than they pay in any other EU country. The problem with Ireland is that you will get no real benefit from the taxes you pay. If you have family, you'll probably be better off moving to Germany or the Netherlands. There are some serious tax benefits for couples and parents. You wi…

What do you mean by tax benefits? Paying less tax? Or services they get? It's unclear here.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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If you're just focusing in the European Union, it's definitely Ireland. Stripe, Square, Microsoft, Google, etc will all pay more in Ireland than they pay in any other EU country. The problem with Ireland is that you will get no real benefit from the taxes you pay. If you have family, you'll probably be better off moving to Germany or the Netherlands. There are some serious tax benefits for couples and parents. You wi…

What do you mean by tax benefits? Paying less tax? Or services they get? It's unclear here.

Ireland has very low corporation tax, but quite high personal tax. That's why so many major companies are here.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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If you're just focusing in the European Union, it's definitely Ireland. Stripe, Square, Microsoft, Google, etc will all pay more in Ireland than they pay in any other EU country. The problem with Ireland is that you will get no real benefit from the taxes you pay. If you have family, you'll probably be better off moving to Germany or the Netherlands. There are some serious tax benefits for couples and parents. You wi…

Pretty sure London pays more than Dublin but it is close.

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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If you're just focusing in the European Union, it's definitely Ireland. Stripe, Square, Microsoft, Google, etc will all pay more in Ireland than they pay in any other EU country. The problem with Ireland is that you will get no real benefit from the taxes you pay. If you have family, you'll probably be better off moving to Germany or the Netherlands. There are some serious tax benefits for couples and parents. You wi…

Pretty sure London pays more than Dublin but it is close.

London is not in the EU anymore :)

Re: Ask HN: What EU country has the highest developer salary?

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If you're just focusing in the European Union, it's definitely Ireland. Stripe, Square, Microsoft, Google, etc will all pay more in Ireland than they pay in any other EU country. The problem with Ireland is that you will get no real benefit from the taxes you pay. If you have family, you'll probably be better off moving to Germany or the Netherlands. There are some serious tax benefits for couples and parents. You wi…

What do you mean by tax benefits? Paying less tax? Or services they get? It's unclear here.

I mean services. Decent public transport, good healthcare, day care for children, etc
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