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Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Would love to hear fast how charging stations will scale in a way that beats the current price and speed of filling up a car with gasoline. I mean, even in a small town with, say, three gas stations, there are peak times when all the spots are taken. Average fueling time is probably a few minutes. How to switch that to an all-electric system? + build a significantly higher number of fast electric charges than there a…

I have no data, but I suspect we underestimate the impact of at-home charging. Essentially, all vehicles parked at a residence start every day with a full charge. This eliminates most of the demand on fast-charge stations for around-town use. Granted, they still consume power that the grid has to supply, so pricing may change, but I suspect gas station traffic will go way down, in aggregate, as EV adoption climbs. On…

Not only have politicians noticed this, but the conniving little jerks have already started framing the problem in a way that implies EVs should be paying far more than gas cars.

Many states are pushing for tag fees based upon the average revenue per gas/disel vehicle per year without regard to those vehicles MPG. Given that a lot of EVs are replacing high MPG vehicles, the formulations are incredibly unfair.

But they still have a few years before EV owners are a substantial constituency, so there's a chance to jam through unfair taxation (in the false name of fairness) before that happens.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Tesla fans before 2023: The Supercharger network is just supplemental! Most charging is done at home, range anxiety is BS! Tesla fans after 2023: The Supercharger is our most important competitive advantage! Any automaker not adapting our standard will die!

You don't have to like "Tesla fans," but you're just being dishonest with comments like this.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Would love to hear fast how charging stations will scale in a way that beats the current price and speed of filling up a car with gasoline. I mean, even in a small town with, say, three gas stations, there are peak times when all the spots are taken. Average fueling time is probably a few minutes. How to switch that to an all-electric system? + build a significantly higher number of fast electric charges than there a…

I have no data, but I suspect we underestimate the impact of at-home charging. Essentially, all vehicles parked at a residence start every day with a full charge. This eliminates most of the demand on fast-charge stations for around-town use. Granted, they still consume power that the grid has to supply, so pricing may change, but I suspect gas station traffic will go way down, in aggregate, as EV adoption climbs. On…

Some anti-EV states have realized this and have raised the registration cost on these cars substantially. This is less than the gas tax you would probably pay on normal commuting but I expect more states to follow this lead.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Is NACS superior to CCS in any way apart from install base? I was under the impression NACS was inferior.

Suggest to watch the Technology Connections video. TL;DW: it’s fine, it has some advantages and no real disadvantages. It’s annoying that the US will once again be out of sync with the rest of the world, that’s the main drawback.

With a bit of luck they will be able to name the connector in inches, making it even more patriotic.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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I firmly don’t care which plug wins as long as there is _a_ standard… But with the wind blowing this way will there be an adapter for CCS vehicles already on the road? Or does one already exist?

There's not an official adapter but one has been announced by Ford & GM.

The word on the street is that the Tesla plugs will start speaking the CCS protocol so an adapter is trivial.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Offtopic: could people that write news titles please learn how to capitalize words? Or can we make sure that at AI will know it, when most of news are written by it? Took me 3 tries to parse the title. "Rivian Joins Forces" - is that name of an organization? - "with Tesla"... nope, that doesn't make sense. "Rivan Joins forces" (somebody to do something), syntax error got "with". "Rivan joins forces with Tesla" - yay!…

> Took me 3 tries to parse the title.

Sounds like, to take a phrase from the youths, a skill issue.

But you and others here may be interested in Language Log's posts on headline dialect:https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?cat=277

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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CCS current spec/design can deliver up to 350kW (although few if any cars can take advantage of that today). NACS claims it can provide up to 1MW (1000A @ 1000V). I think it will be a while before we see cars able to charge anywhere near this, but there is a trend right now of big EV pickups with massive batteries. Higher power chargers means faster charge times. The only downside I see with NACS is you can’t level 2…

I'm a little confused by fast charging standards, to be honest. 1MW is 20x the maximum draw of a standard house, and 800x the average draw of a US house. The hydro plant down the road generates 5MW. It just sounds crazy to plan to pull that much power charging a car at a time.

It is indeed totally insane, but this is what is being worked on, not necessairly for cars but trucks and semi trucks for example that have much larger batteries than a car. Already to achieve 250+ kW charging stations have to have huge cables and watercooled connectors, here's one such installation I saw some years ago https://i.imgur.com/BpG4QAa.jpg and an example of a cooled connector for 0.5 MW https://www.phoenixcontact.com/en-ca/products/dc-charging-ca...

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Tesla fans before 2023: The Supercharger network is just supplemental! Most charging is done at home, range anxiety is BS! Tesla fans after 2023: The Supercharger is our most important competitive advantage! Any automaker not adapting our standard will die!

This does not even make sense, even beyond the weird strawman. If the "Tesla fans" think the superchargers are their most competitive advantage... Why would they want other automakers to adopt it?
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