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Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by wkat4242 »

styren wrote: post #96
wkat4242 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow I can't use bard yet as I'm in the EU. But ChatGPT has never done something like this to me.

ChatGPT is ALWAYS doing stuff like this to me. Suggest code that doesn't compile, suggest SIMD instructions that don't exist, reiterate on incorrect answers with the exact same answer, etc. Granted I use ChatGPT 3.5.

Ok I don't use it so much for coding and I always use GPT4 (I got a subscription out because it's so useful).

But every time it gave me a very sensible solution.. Usually not something that worked right out of the box but never something totally stupid.

Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by sidewndr46 »

soultrees wrote: post #46
redbell wrote: post #35

> Cautioning its own workers not to directly use code generated by Bard undermines Google's claims its chatbot can help developers become more productive The definitive definition of irony o_O This reminds me of two pictures that were circulating on social media a while ago. The first was Zuckerberg holding a book while billions of people are wasting their time in endless scrolling in the Metas; the second was that T…

This is less of a productivity risk than a legal risk. Nobody is denying that these tools enable productivity like we haven’t seen before, but google is afraid of outputting protected code while the courts haven’t fully decided the stance on things. Imagine Google Bard outputs a piece of code for a major new feature, making them a shit ton of money. It’s then found out that code was actually taken copied, almost dire…

based on the code I've seen come out of these tools, I'm denying they enable any productivity gains. The code is either hilariously bad, filled with subtle bugs, or just something I could have googled then copy and pasted an OSS solution into my code.

Is anyone's productivity really higher if we have to spend all our time correctness checking the output?

Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by anonymousab »

PeterStuer wrote: post #99
JoshTriplett wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest concern is that AI can sometimes generate code from the training set verbatim Not just verbatim: AI-generated code is arguably a derivative work of code in the training set even if it doesn't generate verbatim copies of training data, in the same way that any code can be a derivative work even if it doesn't contain bitwise-identical lines. If you take a piece of Python code, and translate it to C code,…

By the same logic all code I have ever written is a derivative work of all code I've ever read.

Companies that bar their employees from even looking at gpl code already follow that logic, yeah.

Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by sidewndr46 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #19
Lerc wrote: post #6

Is this because of the accuracy of the results, or is it the rights to the content that is the problem? Barring any AI court case setting a precedent, We're still at 'AI generated works are public domain' aren't we? There's probably going to be some big money arguing for the right to own content generated by their AI. I can't really see that being in the public interest though.

> AI generated works are public domain That's not the status quo. The biggest concern is that AI can sometimes generate code from the training set verbatim, in which case that code has the copyright of the original training set - which might be GPL or proprietary or whatever else.

My understanding was the copyright office indicated you can't get copyright for AI generated works:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/ai-created-images-lose-us-copy...

so it may not be "public domain", but if you can't get copyright protection in the US I don't see a difference.

Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by PurpleRamen »

simple10 wrote: post #117

Does anyone get the feeling this article was written by AI? > The policy isn't surprising, given the chocolate factory also advised users not to include sensitive information in their conversations with Bard "Chocolate factory"??

Searching for it, it seems to be a nickname for Googles Mountain View HQ, in reference to Willy Wonka and his busy little Workers. And it seems to be around for around a decade, so it's probably not some trap to troll AIs.

Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by sidewndr46 »

soultrees wrote: post #47
JoshTriplett wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest concern is that AI can sometimes generate code from the training set verbatim Not just verbatim: AI-generated code is arguably a derivative work of code in the training set even if it doesn't generate verbatim copies of training data, in the same way that any code can be a derivative work even if it doesn't contain bitwise-identical lines. If you take a piece of Python code, and translate it to C code,…

Everything you do or know is a derivative of your own training set. True original thoughts without context don’t exist, well at least in any way we can find out as every human is the product of their own training set. Just out curiosity, what makes the code you write, more original than an LLMs who’s training set is way bigger than yours and likely will more variance in how to achieve same goal. I’m not trying to be…

This seems absurdly reductionist to me. Wouldn't all work simply be attributable to the first proto-human who grabbed a stick or rock and used it as a tool? Surely even proto-humans communicated knowledge by demonstrations amongst themselves, even if they lacked complicated language.

Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by shaftoe444 »

simple10 wrote: post #117

Does anyone get the feeling this article was written by AI? > The policy isn't surprising, given the chocolate factory also advised users not to include sensitive information in their conversations with Bard "Chocolate factory"??

Longstanding Register nickname for Google.

Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by ineedasername »

pgeorgi wrote: post #28
ineedasername wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they have an offering in the market for other people to do just that. Put stackoverflow aside, that’s not Google. Gooogle telling staff to not use Bard would be like telling them a decade ago “don’t use android”

> Except they have an offering in the market for other people to do just that. bard.google.com states right on the front page: "Bard is an experiment and may give inaccurate or inappropriate responses." Also, the warning is about _all_ LLMs.

And google is nonetheless happy to have countless other coders use their experiment, just not their own.

Leave other LLMs to the side on this issue. There are a variety of different issue that arise when Google employees might use a non-Google LLM, so that prohibition is in a category with different reasons.

Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by sidewndr46 »

Aerroon wrote: post #15
wernercd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were we ever NOT there? https://builtin.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-copyright "Can AI Art Be Copyrighted? It has long been the posture of the U.S. Copyright Office that there is no copyright protection for works created by non-humans, including machines. Therefore, the product of a generative AI model cannot be copyrighted."

Wait, so the US copyright office considers the AI model to be the sole creator of the work? So the prompt - the actual intent behind the use of the tool - is irrelevant? Then where is the line? If I use a painting program that runs a Math.random() on a brush and I use this brush to draw something then is that also created by a non-human? If I program a robot arm to draw a picture then is that picture also created by…

The program for the robot you could copyright. The picture you could not.

Let's be realistic here: there is no oracle indicating something was generated by AI. Most graphic artists have been using partially machine generated work from tools like Photoshop for a decade or more. They just don't mention it.

Re: Google warns its own employees: Do not use code generated by Bard

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Post by GuB-42 »

simple10 wrote: post #117

Does anyone get the feeling this article was written by AI? > The policy isn't surprising, given the chocolate factory also advised users not to include sensitive information in their conversations with Bard "Chocolate factory"??

If anything, that would be the sign of the article not being written by an AI.

There is nothing in the context of the article related to chocolate factories. AIs usually don't just put random words in an otherwise mostly fine article.

AI tends to have the opposite problem. The form is good, the words go well together, but it is nonsense when you look at the big picture.

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