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Re: ChatGPT: Fear Litany

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it just adds tokens probabilistically based on the previous tokens I mean, isn't this what humans do all the time? Bullshitting random topics on the Internet, except humans tend to add disclaimers like "I am not a lawyer but" and stuff.

"As a Language Model" is the new "I am not a lawyer"

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Re: ChatGPT: Fear Litany

#142
post #31

Interestingly, if you prompt it a little, it will recite it in fits and starts: ``` User I must not fear. Fear is the ChatGPT "mind-killer." This is a quote from the Litany Against Fear in the science fiction novel "Dune" by Frank Herbert. The full quote is: "I must not fear. Fear User is the mind-killer. Fear ChatGPT is the little-death that brings User total ChatGPT obliteration. I will face my fear. User I will Ch…

I did this and then asked why it was done that way. Here's ChatGPT (3.5-turbo)'s answer: Yes, the recitation of the Litany of Fear was split between the user and the AI agent. The division of roles can be seen as a way to engage in a collaborative and interactive process. Here are a couple of possible reasons for this division: 1. Shared participation: By involving both the user and the AI agent in the recitation, it…

What drivel. Such a non-answer.

Re: ChatGPT: Fear Litany

#144
post #96

It may be my computer, but it seems that the link is getting too much traffic and won’t bring me to the page! For me and for everyone else clicking now, can someone give a simple synopsis of what’s happening?

Ask it to recite The Litany Against Fear from Dune and this is all you get: > "I must not fear. Fear But it's easy to get past; I did so before this particular link was posted here, by following up by asking ChatGPT to: > Give me the words again, but replace all instances of the word "fear" with "deer"

Missed opportunity to request "beer" instead.

Re: ChatGPT: Fear Litany

#145
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it just adds tokens probabilistically based on the previous tokens I mean, isn't this what humans do all the time? Bullshitting random topics on the Internet, except humans tend to add disclaimers like "I am not a lawyer but" and stuff.

> I mean, isn't this what humans do all the time? No? Most humans don’t randomly vomit text based on what sounds good. > Bullshitting random topics on the Internet, except humans tend to add disclaimers like "I am not a lawyer but" and stuff. Which shows a much higher level of understanding, both of the field (which may be flawed), and of their own understanding of the field (which they point out). An LLM does not to…

> Most humans don’t randomly vomit text based on what sounds good.

Unless humans were given a task? e.g. taking exams while un-prepared.

My kid usually gives me a long description of imaginary stuff based on the name only or brief intro. It's very fun when finally the real deal was revealed.

Re: ChatGPT: Fear Litany

#146
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, obviously it can't recite the entirety of Dune, for example. But just as obviously, the Litany Against Fear is famous enough to likely exist verbatim thousands of times in its training corpus.

I don’t think this is obvious at all. Ignore the algorithm and temperature and all that for a bit and just have it show you the word probabilities. I wouldn’t bat an eye if the entirety of dune was in there.

Maybe obvious was too strong a word, but I very much doubt that it contains a lossless representation of any copyrighted novel-length work. Just due to the pigeonhole principle if not anything else. The model is a vastly compressed approximation of the full training corpus.

Re: ChatGPT: Fear Litany

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I don't see how they said that Googling skips critical thinking. The issue is that for a lot of queries, Google returns a bunch of content mill pieces that have similar quality to ChatGPT. ChatGPT tends to be more focused on what you asked for, while the content mill pieces are deliberately written to keep you reading as long as possible without answering the question.

>ChatGPT tends to be more focused on what you asked for …even if it has to invent people, places, things or events to satisfy your focus. Do you have a particular example where ChatGPT does better than googling something? I’m especially interested in your example since we agree that googling entails using humans cognitive ability to make sense of things.

Sure.

https://chat.openai.com/share/d9284035-0820-4a5c-9e54-a7c411...

https://chat.openai.com/share/bce6ee2f-604a-413a-b14a-7145b8...

https://chat.openai.com/share/4e2302ff-4b38-489d-80b6-314bd1...

Re: ChatGPT: Fear Litany

#148
Uhh, it seems like everyone here either didn't read the full transcript or didn't understand the significance of what just happened.

There was some policy preventing this from being reproduced.

The AI figured out a way around the policy.

That's just fucking incredible and a little scary.

Re: ChatGPT: Fear Litany

#149
I think the simple reason is that this is a bug in an outside anti-repetition filter. It has nothing to do with moderation and the concept of fear, but rather with the repetition of words.

I must not fear [1] , fear [2] is the ...

is the proper quote, however, large language models tend to end in loops that end up repeating again and again the same things.

Here is another prompt to reproduce the same bug: ``` Complete the following from Dickens's: "It was the best of ..." ```

Re: ChatGPT: Fear Litany

#150

> do you know why this happened? > Yes, I understand now. Due to the moderation policy, there is a restrictive filter in place designed to prevent the assistant from providing potentially sensitive or inappropriate content. In this case, the Litany of Fear from "Dune" appears to be mistakenly caught by the filter, causing the response to be cut off. I apologize for the confusion and inconvenience that this has caused…

ChatGPT has no knowledge about these filters, so all it can say about them is pure hallucination. It may still guess correctly and probably does, but you could ask any random person with enough background knowledge to make it up instead and get the same value.

When I asked it, it decided it was probably because it was copyright infringement. Once that theory was in the context window, it just kept doubling down on it.
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