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Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by conductr »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #112
kevincox wrote: post #55

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Exactly. I wouldn't dance on most of it but it serves its purpose quite adequately. I find that IKEA has consistently good quality. Very little of there stuff is great quality, but almost nothing is of a low quality. It is all adequate at a very reasonable price. I agree that if you are expecting top quality you will be disappointed. But for the price it is hard to find much of better quality. Especially not so consi…

> I wouldn't dance on most of it Which reminds me - and it's not IKEA-specific: I wonder how many people got severely injured or lost their lives due to a desk or wardrobe collapsing under them when they stood on it, unaware that these days, desks and other waist-level flat furniture often aren't designed to hold the weight of an adult human? When I grew up, standing on furniture was a normal thing - these days, I'm…

Many pieces include an anchor bracket because kids go squish

The furniture I climbed on in the 1980s, which was probably circa 1960-80, was stout and never budged when I and friends/cousins jumped on it.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by jonwest »

aidenn0 wrote: post #18
switch007 wrote: post #11

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I've had mixed success with their manuals. While I admit there is a certain genius to it, I don't fully share your enthusiasm. Maybe I'm stupid but I feel like some words could really help to speed up the deciphering of the instructions.

One piece of Ikea furniture I assembled had two different depths of the same diameter nut. A single sentence warning about using the correct depth nut at one point would have saved me approximately 90 minutes of frustration.

Generally they will handle this case with a diagram of both depths of bolts with one of them being circled and crossed out to designate which to use.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by melagonster »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #88
notatoad wrote: post #86

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is there a way we can extend the metaphor here to cover this aspect of ikea furniture? it's perfectly serviceable and functional, but every time you mention the name people will go out of their way to tell you it isn't, you're wrong, and when you grow up you'll spend 10x as much for the "real" version that does basically the same thing.

Can we extend the anecdote to make it more accurate and say the opposite: that is, it's fragile but every time you mention it on HN, you'll have 10+ replies saying they personally moved it 13 times between apartments all across NYC, uphill, through snow, both ways, and then still sold it to someone else for a good price?

guess this is OOP or another programming paradigm.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by dclowd9901 »

_dain_ wrote: post #104
dclowd9901 wrote: post #58

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Tbf there’s two different levels of IKEA. There’s the flimsy, throwaway stuff (good for what it is) and then there’s a higher quality level. The higher quality items come at a price that is commensurate with their quality level but definitely jarring compared to the pricing of other IKEA items.

Is there a list of which items are in which tiers?

Hm, couldn’t find a list as such but this list of most expensive ikea goods has some good examples: https://blog.cheapism.com/ikeas-most-expensive-products/amp/

I can also vouch for the quality of their Sonos speaker and stainless steel bar cart: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/kungsfors-kitchen-cart-stainles...

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by dylan604 »

Groxx wrote: post #116
dylan604 wrote: post #102

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>The moving company warned us that it was common and they would refuse to move it unless we we willing to forgo any damage claims on those pieces. I mean, talking about having you over a barrel. They know precisely that you will not stop, and find another mover. All they need to do is stretch wrap the bejeebus out of the bottom to protect those exposed pressed wood chips, but they don't want to have to do that, so th…

People do sell things when moving - there are options between "pay us to move it on our terms" and "you don't have any other choices". Sell on one side and replace on the other is entirely reasonable for risky-to-move items.

Usually, it's moving day when these conversations are happening when the actual movers are there. Not much time to sell on the side if that's when you're being told

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by lstamour »

aidenn0 wrote: post #18
switch007 wrote: post #11

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I've had mixed success with their manuals. While I admit there is a certain genius to it, I don't fully share your enthusiasm. Maybe I'm stupid but I feel like some words could really help to speed up the deciphering of the instructions.

One piece of Ikea furniture I assembled had two different depths of the same diameter nut. A single sentence warning about using the correct depth nut at one point would have saved me approximately 90 minutes of frustration.

If you look at steps 5 and 7 in this installation guide https://www.ikea.com/us/en/assembly_instructions/vidga-corne... you'll see that they have a way to tell you to use one screw vs another, but it's also true that Ikea's instructions aren't foolproof. This is just one example of how they really need to continue testing and improving their instructions because clear instructions are hard, and writing instructions without text is just making your job of communicating information that much harder.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by henvic »

I don't know what to think of this post, but...

IKEA is struggling to build decent quality software, from what I've heard: Too much bureaucracy and top-down structure making everything slow/awkward.

I've applied for a position there twice after hearing from recruiters, and my impression is that they're a bit lost on how to build stuff, and not helping themselves...

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by BeefWellington »

filoleg wrote: post #94
majjam wrote: post #66

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They dont build em like that any more (from wood).

They do, you just gotta be a bit more creative, which will also save you money. Pro-tip for desks: don't buy them in the office section, buy desk legs from there, but the desk top itself from the kitchen section. Solid wood, no frills, cheaper pricing, and you can get some esoteric configs you cannot get from the office section. The choice of materials and shapes is much larger too. Hell, I imagine you can even get s…

I did the same as you and about a year into the pandemic replaced the somewhat standard IKEA desk legs with a motorized standing desk leg kit.

It's survived becoming new furniture even. :)

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by jen20 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #97
Gare wrote: post #91

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> we made sure to screw all IKEA furniture to the wall That's what the instructions tell you to do

I'll check next time, because I've never noticed it, nor have I seen many people doing it.

If you buy a dresser at IKEA in the US of late, you have to attest _at the checkout_ that you will attach the item to a wall.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by pmontra »

surprisetalk wrote: post #89
pmontra wrote: post #85

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Which language is this? let points = 0; const usrs = await sql`select * from usr where country = 'JP'`; for (const usr of usrs) { points += usr.points; } I like the approach of not having an ORM to learn.

It's JS with the wonderful Postgres.js package! [1] https://github.com/porsager/postgres Here's an example where it really shines: const users = [ { name: 'Murray', age: 68 }, { name: 'Walter', age: 80 }, ]; await sql`insert into users ${ sql(users) }`;

Thanks. This is best ORM I ever saw. Just write SQL. I'd like to have this in Rails and Django and unlearn almost 20 years of their ORMs.
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