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Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020)

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Re: Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020)

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Post by toast0 »

chasil wrote: post #8

FTP did have some odd features that were useful at times. The SITE EXEC command allowed programs to be run remotely, with their output filtered back to the client. The proxy command allowed functionality similar to modern jump host ssh. Of course, anonymous ftp has no equivalent in ssh/sftp.

Being able to send files between two ftp servers without having to download then upload is a pretty interesting feature that arises from the two connection model of data transfer. Of course, that model also makes ftp hard to secure and hard to NAT.

Re: Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020)

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Post by r1ch »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #3
redundantly wrote: post #2

> And I’m sure some person in some suitably technical job somewhere is going to claim that FTP will never die because there will always be a specialized use case for it somewhere. Sure, whatever. But for the vast majority of people, when Chrome disconnects FTP from the browser, they likely won’t find a reason to reconnect. I'm some person in a suitable technical job somewhere. Yeah, FTP will be around for a long, lon…

For me, I SFTP from 5 locations around the globe daily. I could build a complex system to manage the transfers.. but why, when it just works for our use case.

Unfortunately SFTP isn't a good replacement when speed is a concern, anything running over OpenSSH will have its bandwidth limited by the fixed window size. I long for the day when HPN-SSH replaces OpenSSH everywhere.

Re: Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020)

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Post by ChainOfFools »

valiant55 wrote: post #4
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, I SFTP from 5 locations around the globe daily. I could build a complex system to manage the transfers.. but why, when it just works for our use case.

SFTP is basically just SSH, the only thing it shares in common with FTP is the name.

perhaps op meant FTPS?

Re: Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

redundantly wrote: post #2

> And I’m sure some person in some suitably technical job somewhere is going to claim that FTP will never die because there will always be a specialized use case for it somewhere. Sure, whatever. But for the vast majority of people, when Chrome disconnects FTP from the browser, they likely won’t find a reason to reconnect. I'm some person in a suitable technical job somewhere. Yeah, FTP will be around for a long, lon…

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Re: Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020)

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Post by paulddraper »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #7
thallium205 wrote: post #6

If FTP disappears the US healthcare industry will go with it.

FTP isn't disappearing and I'm pretty sure the US healthcare industry would find a different way to transfer files instead of disappearing.

In my experience in healthcare, SFTP is far more common than FTP/FTPS.

Maybe because it's simpler to administer (no active vs passive issue). In any case, it's the preferred choice.

Re: Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020)

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Post by LinAGKar »

valiant55 wrote: post #4
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, I SFTP from 5 locations around the globe daily. I could build a complex system to manage the transfers.. but why, when it just works for our use case.

SFTP is basically just SSH, the only thing it shares in common with FTP is the name.

SSH is just the transport, you use a different protocol inside it. But yeah, it's not FTP

Re: Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020)

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Post by water9 »

r1ch wrote: post #12
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, I SFTP from 5 locations around the globe daily. I could build a complex system to manage the transfers.. but why, when it just works for our use case.

Unfortunately SFTP isn't a good replacement when speed is a concern, anything running over OpenSSH will have its bandwidth limited by the fixed window size. I long for the day when HPN-SSH replaces OpenSSH everywhere.

I just found out this is a thing. Thank you for this.
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