Is this a way to describe code bases that are hard to navigate, just like the store?
No - the store is more like the npm registry!
IKEA-Oriented Development
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Re: IKEA-Oriented Development
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? The quality is good enough that millions of people around the world are using it in their house right now, profitably for Ikea. I'd say that's a very good definition of quality to imitated.
Exactly. I wouldn't dance on most of it but it serves its purpose quite adequately. I find that IKEA has consistently good quality. Very little of there stuff is great quality, but almost nothing is of a low quality. It is all adequate at a very reasonable price. I agree that if you are expecting top quality you will be disappointed. But for the price it is hard to find much of better quality. Especially not so consi…
> I wouldn't dance on most of it
Which reminds me - and it's not IKEA-specific: I wonder how many people got severely injured or lost their lives due to a desk or wardrobe collapsing under them when they stood on it, unaware that these days, desks and other waist-level flat furniture often aren't designed to hold the weight of an adult human? When I grew up, standing on furniture was a normal thing - these days, I'm very careful about even leaning on it.
Re: IKEA-Oriented Development
#113Analogies between domains are important and occasionally can be triggers for really useful thinking.
Modern life and work is so siloed. Deep expertise and wisdom, whether that is about efficiency, risk management, community building, user interface, simply aesthetics or any other challenge can be just nearby.
Re: IKEA-Oriented Development
#114There is some irony in talking about simple components and ease of assembly with standard tools then mentioning JS and it's utter abomination of an ecosystem where you need a bunch of tools to put together the simplest of sites (if you insist doing it in modern JS way)
JS IKEA would ship you 6 trucks of dependencies before you could hang a shelf
Re: IKEA-Oriented Development
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone seems to chime in with comments confirming your experience, so let me add an opposite take: all IKEA furniture I ever dealt with were... at best, meh. Some may look almost durable when assembled, but they start to accumulate damage over months to years of regular use. Not careless use, but also not super-careful use as if it were a museum piece. Just regular use. Which is why I too claim that all IKEA furnit…
> all IKEA furniture I ever dealt with were... at best, meh Also, can we get a raise of hands on the number of people who have vs have not been successful in disassembling and reassembling IKEA BILLY bookshelves? I am fully convinced that it is near impossible for your average person to disassemble and reassemble BILLY bookshelves without damage. I have a number of shelves possibly still sitting in storage at the uni…
BILLY is the shelf where you stop the back panel with nails or rivets, right ?
It's absolutely not made to be disasembled. You'd need to go with the HEMNES line to have something a bit more solid and well thought out.
People put all IKEA stuff in the same basket, but they have different designers who can have pretty different philosophies on how the furnitures are structured. Some are really clever, others really cheap and dumb. Their EXPEDIT / KALLAX line is another line that is extremely good regarding flexibility and modularity. We actually use two as bookshelves.
Re: IKEA-Oriented Development
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
My oldest Ikea piece is a 4x2 EXPEDIT shelf which has been moved three times now. Twice across town in a car (disassembled and reassembled), once across states (still assembled on a truck). It’s doing fine. My nightstand only went through the truck move though, and it has chunks missing on the bottom corners. The moving company warned us that it was common and they would refuse to move it unless we we willing to forg…
>The moving company warned us that it was common and they would refuse to move it unless we we willing to forgo any damage claims on those pieces. I mean, talking about having you over a barrel. They know precisely that you will not stop, and find another mover. All they need to do is stretch wrap the bejeebus out of the bottom to protect those exposed pressed wood chips, but they don't want to have to do that, so th…
People do sell things when moving - there are options between "pay us to move it on our terms" and "you don't have any other choices". Sell on one side and replace on the other is entirely reasonable for risky-to-move items.
Re: IKEA-Oriented Development
#117Isn't this actually a reformulation of the principles of Unix philosophy?
"Packaging is the product": classic Unix utilities are lightweight, nimble programs
"Pre-packaged dependencies": most Unix utilities have one common data format: lines of text. Tools like `jq` expand on that
"Company & disposable": programs can be charged together by be using the Unix shell
Re: IKEA-Oriented Development
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll check next time, because I've never noticed it, nor have I seen many people doing it.
It is in the instructions (which typically don't have words, IIRC.) Brackets have been included with all shelves we've purchased - even ones that seem short & sturdy enough to use it. IKEA also sells furniture of varying qualities - for example, KALLAX is a well-known line of shelves that many vinyl enthusiasts use to store records. Records are extremely heavy, but these stand the test of time. Another example is in…
To +1 this: it's in the instructions for every shelving unit you can buy, because it's a major safety issue regardless of construction (unless it's impractically deep compared to its height). It isn't the construction that makes them tip, it's the dimensions. If it doesn't warn you, it's because they assume you know the risk of things falling onto you, and/or they aren't willing to spend a tiny bit of money to warn you and provide anchoring locations/tools.
Which absolutely do exist. But they're not any safer due to cutting corners on safety. IKEA deserves applause for the consistent warning and hardware.
Re: IKEA-Oriented Development
#119There is some irony in talking about simple components and ease of assembly with standard tools then mentioning JS and it's utter abomination of an ecosystem where you need a bunch of tools to put together the simplest of sites (if you insist doing it in modern JS way) JS IKEA would ship you 6 trucks of dependencies before you could hang a shelf
Just because you're not able to separate the good from the bad, doesn't mean it's all bad in JS land.
Re: IKEA-Oriented Development
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
My oldest Ikea piece is a 4x2 EXPEDIT shelf which has been moved three times now. Twice across town in a car (disassembled and reassembled), once across states (still assembled on a truck). It’s doing fine. My nightstand only went through the truck move though, and it has chunks missing on the bottom corners. The moving company warned us that it was common and they would refuse to move it unless we we willing to forg…
>The moving company warned us that it was common and they would refuse to move it unless we we willing to forgo any damage claims on those pieces. I mean, talking about having you over a barrel. They know precisely that you will not stop, and find another mover. All they need to do is stretch wrap the bejeebus out of the bottom to protect those exposed pressed wood chips, but they don't want to have to do that, so th…
You could also put it in the trunk of your car or take it on the train.