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Titanic tourist submersible goes missing with search under way

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Post by seabass-labrax »

comrh wrote: post #42
omginternets wrote: post #37

“The Boston Coast Guard […]” As in the American city of Boston? If so, why are they the first responders here?

I was curious too. > Contacted by CBS News, the Canadian Coast Guard said the rescue operation was being managed by the Boston Regional Coordination Center, and a map showing jurisdictions for the various coastal search and rescue agencies off the North American coast shows the location of the Titanic wreck within the Boston center's area of responsibility. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submarine-missing-rescu…

How interesting that the areas approximately match those of the North Atlantic oceanic air traffic control regions!

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Post by TechBro8615 »

dtagames wrote: post #28
francisofascii wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So roughly the cost of a first class ticket. (In today's dollars.)

With identical results.

I think I'd prefer drowning to whatever horrors happen when your submersible runs out of life support at the bottom of the ocean.

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #78
ghaff wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure there's any particular reason to think that this is an extraordinarily dangerous activity relative to things like mountain climbing--even on many less extreme peaks.

I don't see any reason to think why it isn't. Unless you don't have a basic understanding about the most primitive laws of physics. Even the slightest mishap at that depth and you're in more trouble than you would be if you were stranded on the ISS.

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Post by Lacerda69 »

NyxWulf wrote: post #199
fhub wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with a surname that is easily made fun of, I urge you to just leave off irrelevant quips.

My maternal grandfather changed his last name when he turned 18, from the German Uhren to Uhrey. If your last name bothers you, fix it.

Uhren sounds fine to me, now if it was Huren i would understand

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Post by civilitty »

selimthegrim wrote: post #187
jonathankoren wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of the story of the first crewed submersible to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. During the descent there was a loud boom, like some something massive broke. After recovering from the shock, they decided to continue the dive, because if it was something important, they would have already been dead.

Did they find out what it was?

> At 30,000 ft. a sharp crack rang through the ship, shaking it violently. The water pressure outside was more than 6 tons per sqare inch., and even a slight fracture in the hull would have meant certain death. It proved to be only an outer Plexiglas windowpane which had splintered under the pressure. The inner hull remained watertight. "A pretty hairy, experience," admitted Walsh.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070202144233/http://bjsonline....

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

spaceguillotine wrote: post #190
jonathankoren wrote: post #178

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Jesus. This sounds like this group is just taking billionaires' money while running a death trap. How the hell do you lose your sub for five hours? This should have stopped all trips until they fixed this problem through a combination of technical and procedural changes.

when you put it like that i'm suddenly pro death trap

cool username.

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Post by seabass-labrax »

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #109

Was it only crew on the submersible or were there paying guests as well?

There is at least one paying guest, and at least two OceanGate staff members according to https://news.sky.com/story/what-we-know-about-the-passengers.... (I've used the present tense out of optimism for a successful rescue)

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Post by closewith »

kibwen wrote: post #87
comrh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was curious too. > Contacted by CBS News, the Canadian Coast Guard said the rescue operation was being managed by the Boston Regional Coordination Center, and a map showing jurisdictions for the various coastal search and rescue agencies off the North American coast shows the location of the Titanic wreck within the Boston center's area of responsibility. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submarine-missing-rescu…

The search and rescue jurisdiction map is fascinating, although some of those areas are so huge that I wonder how much it really means in practice. If you're lost off the coast of Ecuador, are you really supposed to call the San Francisco Coast Guard?

It generally doesn't matter who you call. The call and rescue efforts will be directed through the designated control centre.

This kind of rescue redirect is especially common now with the advent of EPIRBs (Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacons) which are registered to a particular country/authority, but work anywhere in the world. If your Lisbon-registered is activated far enough off the coast of Ecuador to be in the SF zone (and assuming the map is correct), the ARCC Lisboa will contact the SF MRCC and they'll co-ordinate the rescue effort.

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Post by jacquesm »

paulgb wrote: post #172
darth_avocado wrote: post #166

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It is not. The article mentions that the submarine is bolted from the outside so that even if they surface, they can’t open it from the inside. This is in the history of bad designs, the worst. We have “doors must be unlocked when the building is occupied” signs all over the country, yet, no one thought a safety hatch the can be opened from the inside in emergencies could be useful?

> no one thought a safety hatch the can be opened from the inside in emergencies could be useful? It’s quite possible that they considered it and felt that it would compromise the structural integrity and the risk would be higher than not having it.

Then that sub should not have been designed. Because if they do surface they should be able to open the hatch.

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Post by dahwolf »

"Rear Adm Mauger said the rescue teams were "taking this personally" and were doing everything they could to bring those on board "home safe".

What does that even mean? Is this opposed to your normal non-personal/strictly professional mode where you would not do everything you could?

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