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Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by iso1631 »

euroderf wrote: post #6

Another lesson of Ikea is that often you cannot move them from one home/apartment to another, because if you try to take it apart and then reassemble it, it's never the same. To extend this via analogy to the software realm, a deep refactoring is problematic whereas OTOH a complete rewrite is a better idea. Which has not borne borne out by industry experience.

My oldest Ikea furniture dates from 2007, it's moved 5 times since I built it.

Most stuff doesn't even need disassembly. My bed is Ikea and has been dissasembled and reassembled twice, no problems.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

naet wrote: post #29
euroderf wrote: post #6

Another lesson of Ikea is that often you cannot move them from one home/apartment to another, because if you try to take it apart and then reassemble it, it's never the same. To extend this via analogy to the software realm, a deep refactoring is problematic whereas OTOH a complete rewrite is a better idea. Which has not borne borne out by industry experience.

I have moved many times with Ikea furniture and purchased it used with no problems. Ikea furniture is some of the most disassemble and reassemble-able furniture I've seen.

Taking it down and re-assembling it honestly makes it last longer. If you start moving a structure made of a bunch of non-ridged squares, you're going to widen every hole and loosen every screw.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by civilized »

euroderf wrote: post #6

Another lesson of Ikea is that often you cannot move them from one home/apartment to another, because if you try to take it apart and then reassemble it, it's never the same. To extend this via analogy to the software realm, a deep refactoring is problematic whereas OTOH a complete rewrite is a better idea. Which has not borne borne out by industry experience.

> Another lesson of Ikea is that often you cannot move them from one home/apartment to another, because if you try to take it apart and then reassemble it, it's never the same.

My IKEA desk has survived 13 moves since 2005...

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by fragmede »

dheera wrote: post #31
euroderf wrote: post #6

Another lesson of Ikea is that often you cannot move them from one home/apartment to another, because if you try to take it apart and then reassemble it, it's never the same. To extend this via analogy to the software realm, a deep refactoring is problematic whereas OTOH a complete rewrite is a better idea. Which has not borne borne out by industry experience.

An unfortunate reality for the environment is that IKEA furniture often costs less to trash it and buy new than to hire people to move it. It would be interesting if we could create a world economy in which moving something always costed less than manufacturing another instance of it.

Moving furniture is probably a difficult one to charge for, but a disposal fee might incentivize moving or selling second-hand/reuse. If it's gonna cost me £30 to move a Billy and £50 to dispose of it, I'm going to move it instead.

But mass manufacturing and the industrial revolution really and our current economic reality has warped things. It's easier for raw materials to be mined from the ground, processed in a factory, molded into a form, packaged, shipped across the ocean, put into a store, purchased by a vendor, and then resold to end consumer as part of a to-go meal in the form of a plastic fork, and then discarded by the consumer (me), than it is for me to bring a fork to the cafe and wash it and bring it home when I'm done.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

aidenn0 wrote: post #18
switch007 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had mixed success with their manuals. While I admit there is a certain genius to it, I don't fully share your enthusiasm. Maybe I'm stupid but I feel like some words could really help to speed up the deciphering of the instructions.

One piece of Ikea furniture I assembled had two different depths of the same diameter nut. A single sentence warning about using the correct depth nut at one point would have saved me approximately 90 minutes of frustration.

At the start of the manual, the fasteners are shown to-scale and with a part number. Compare to the scale and you don't have issues.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by majjam »

civilized wrote: post #63
euroderf wrote: post #6

Another lesson of Ikea is that often you cannot move them from one home/apartment to another, because if you try to take it apart and then reassemble it, it's never the same. To extend this via analogy to the software realm, a deep refactoring is problematic whereas OTOH a complete rewrite is a better idea. Which has not borne borne out by industry experience.

> Another lesson of Ikea is that often you cannot move them from one home/apartment to another, because if you try to take it apart and then reassemble it, it's never the same. My IKEA desk has survived 13 moves since 2005...

They dont build em like that any more (from wood).

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by [deleted] »

naet wrote: post #29
euroderf wrote: post #6

Another lesson of Ikea is that often you cannot move them from one home/apartment to another, because if you try to take it apart and then reassemble it, it's never the same. To extend this via analogy to the software realm, a deep refactoring is problematic whereas OTOH a complete rewrite is a better idea. Which has not borne borne out by industry experience.

I have moved many times with Ikea furniture and purchased it used with no problems. Ikea furniture is some of the most disassemble and reassemble-able furniture I've seen.

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Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by MisterTea »

naet wrote: post #29
euroderf wrote: post #6

Another lesson of Ikea is that often you cannot move them from one home/apartment to another, because if you try to take it apart and then reassemble it, it's never the same. To extend this via analogy to the software realm, a deep refactoring is problematic whereas OTOH a complete rewrite is a better idea. Which has not borne borne out by industry experience.

I have moved many times with Ikea furniture and purchased it used with no problems. Ikea furniture is some of the most disassemble and reassemble-able furniture I've seen.

The particle/flake board stuff doesn't do well during disassembly. The threads and bore holes for the various pegs that hold the boards develop cracks an begin to crumble. When you start applying force during disassembly the weakened particle board gives way and the pins pull out of the flake board. Spent half a day repairing a nice looking flake board Ikea book case a friend gave me when he moved. Half of the pins ripped out and two shelves split during disassembly. Wood glue and epoxy putty to the rescue.

Re: IKEA-Oriented Development

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Post by mejutoco »

hef19898 wrote: post #17
belval wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally I have had trouble reconciling this seemingly prevalent "you can't disassemble Ikea furniture" with my own experience. It's not made for it sure but bookshelves, bed frames and tables can all be reassembled reasonably well. Anything smaller you can just put in the truck when moving.

Again one of those impossible to kill memes, along with bad mounting instructions (they are on par with Lego, and way better than a lot of industry ones). Usually tells you more about the person making that point than about the point they try to make.

IMO Lego are the gold standard of instructions. From what a remember, IKEA also does labeled bags with a small subset of pieces.

While I think IKEA instructions are clear enough, they feel frustrating at times, while Lego feels very satisfying. Maybe it is the full color of the Lego instructions, or that the consequences of a mistake are easier to undo? Or the lego units make it easier to count the distances. Or maybe my love of Lego is stronger than the often chore of assembling furniture, in a pavlovian way? :)

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