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You've had much better luck than me getting tickets dismissed. I'm sure it's a jurisdiction thing. Also faster than 30 mph on the 405? Your story doesn't check out. When was your last drink tonight, sir?
I've challenged tickets. Once the cop didn't show, twice he did. Of those latter, I won one and lost one. They get paid for their time, so it's not as though it's volunteer work.
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You've had much better luck than me getting tickets dismissed. I'm sure it's a jurisdiction thing. Also faster than 30 mph on the 405? Your story doesn't check out. When was your last drink tonight, sir?
there's more than one 405 :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_405_(California) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_405_(Washington)
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So many responses aren't getting the point of this comment. Cops are basically trying to sort "good people" from "bad people", despite how regressive that is. Often times you'll get pulled over while being "guilty" of something that is completely understandable (newly broken tail light) or mostly used as a pretext to pull people over to investigate other things (5-10 mph over in most areas). If you stay terse with th…
If a cop lets how nice you are influence whether they ticket you, they are corrupt and making a joke of their profession. Cops don’t ask you questions to be conversational. They do it because they want to fuck you.
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Michael Flynn has entered the chat. If you can, get past his ideology and that he was a Trump guy, the actual process of what happened to him and what he was charged with is pretty crazy. He was very stupid for talking to agents without a lawyer. But, they went in and got him to lie about something that wasn’t a crime, and he didn’t actually do. Also on the front page of HN right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/ite…
Michael Flynn is literally a traitor to the US.
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What benefit would I see from talking to the police in the scenario you describe?
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If a cop lets how nice you are influence whether they ticket you, they are corrupt and making a joke of their profession. Cops don’t ask you questions to be conversational. They do it because they want to fuck you.
What exactly do you think the goal of their profession is? Pure uniform malevolence?
The goals of policing as a profession has roots in protecting capitalism and those who control capital. It hasn't deviated much from that since it started. And I would describe capitalism as malevolent. So to answer your question: yes.
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What exactly do you think the goal of their profession is? Pure uniform malevolence?
I think the personal goals of the average cop involve doing the least amount of work possible, doing whatever they want, supporting their peers in doing whatever they want, and getting paid. Doing whatever they want usually involving "putting people in their place" and forcing them to "respect their authority", whether consciously or not. The goals of policing as a profession has roots in protecting capitalism and th…
If police are protecting capital and those who control capital, then they're not uniformly malevolent - coming across as someone who, in another context, might be telling them what to do is likely to get you further with them.
Likewise, if one goal of individual police is to force people to "respect their authority", then you're going to have a better time when you do "respect" that authority, especially when you're at the business end of the stick. Note that I put the quotes there because you don't actually have to respect them in order to make them feel respected.
That's essentially what my argument boils down to - acknowledging their motivations, especially the nuances and not just painting with a broad brush, in a way that you personally can work with will be advantageous.
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I think the personal goals of the average cop involve doing the least amount of work possible, doing whatever they want, supporting their peers in doing whatever they want, and getting paid. Doing whatever they want usually involving "putting people in their place" and forcing them to "respect their authority", whether consciously or not. The goals of policing as a profession has roots in protecting capitalism and th…
I agree with most of what you wrote in this comment - I don't agree with your original comment that just seems to be rejecting analysis. If police are protecting capital and those who control capital, then they're not uniformly malevolent - coming across as someone who, in another context, might be telling them what to do is likely to get you further with them. Likewise, if one goal of individual police is to force p…
If a cop treats me courteously and greets me kindly and is respectful in doing their job, I will also greet them kindly and wish them well at the end, but I still still say “respectfully, I will provide identification/documentation and confirm basic details about my identity but am otherwise exercising my right to remain silent and to speak with an attorney”. I will acquiesce only very slightly in that I will sign the ticket they give me instead of getting arrested for refusal to sign.
If he wants to make up a reason to arrest me or potentially even harm me, I will fight it in court.
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I agree with most of what you wrote in this comment - I don't agree with your original comment that just seems to be rejecting analysis. If police are protecting capital and those who control capital, then they're not uniformly malevolent - coming across as someone who, in another context, might be telling them what to do is likely to get you further with them. Likewise, if one goal of individual police is to force p…
I don’t care about having a bad time if it’s the result of a corrupt cop not respecting me exercising my rights. I think it is my moral imperative to use all my rights at all times with cops because it helps normalize it for others who can’t so nonchalantly have a lawyer and afford going to court. If a cop treats me courteously and greets me kindly and is respectful in doing their job, I will also greet them kindly a…
This is a poor standard, that I doubt you're actually meeting. For example, when you drive through a construction zone, do you flip off every cop you see in order to maximize your right to free expression?
I do actually agree with where you're coming from! It's just that the standard you've claimed leaves much to be desired - it's framed in a closed world zero sum way, which only makes sense if you're only considering the times you have no choice but to interact with cops.
Like for example, I have yelled at a cop doing construction duty (poorly) to "do your job" - traffic was backing up because he was looking the other way and chatting, rather than making sure cars kept moving.
I have laid on the horn at some undercover car setting up to harass some kids in a strip mall parking lot, because it stopped in the entrance to the lot with me half stuck out into the highway. Ended up drawing aggro and getting an earful about how I was disrupting their investigation about drugs blah blah blah. But at the end of the day they want to attack the people they set out to attack, rather than a side quest of hassling me because I called them out.
If a cop passes me on the highway at high speed with no lights (ie not an emergency), often times I will follow them under the rationale of equal protection under the law.
I'm sure I'll get jumped on for explicitly listing these things - people wielding "privilege" or another truncheon-of-the-day, thinking they're "progressive" but really just wanting to enforce the crab bucket. But there was principle in all of them - cops are citizens like everybody else, and should be subject to the same laws and responsibilities as everyone else. And it's all citizens' moral imperative to enforce that.
So back to the topic - the context is being pulled over for something that you are actually "guilty" of, but aren't necessarily going to get a ticket for (cf 3 Felonies a Day). Of all the times I've been pulled over, I'd say about half resulted in just a warning. So it's not that the cop will make up a reason to ticket you, but rather that they already have that reason but perhaps will show you mercy. Once I'm in their direct sights, to me the optimal way to play is whatever is most likely to make them let me go. If that involves playing the part of someone who enjoys licking boots? So be it! Dissent is better expressed in contexts where you aren't already in their sights.