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Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Nah, just abolish patents and trademarks.

Patents and trademarks are a relic from the past that drastically suppresses innovation and puts technological advancement into slow motion, turning corporate moats into islands flying in the sky with forcefields of lawyers and bureaucracy, and enables a whole market of bad-faith parasites. There is no good-faith argument for their existence. They hurt the general populace for the benefit of some tiny minority of meg…

Patents fit your rhetoric, but trademarks protect customers from rip-off merchants who, to create a relevant example, will take the insides of an Android phone, build an iPhone-shaped form around it, re-skin the OS to be like iOS, and then sell it as "an iPhone".

This is still the case even though Apple is obviously wrong here.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Funny how 'give more of it to employees' and 'lower prices' aren't really in the vocabulary

Or 'pay taxes'

This is one of those things where I can go either way on. I'm not mad about the taxes I pay but we're I, or anyone, given the option to reinvest that money into MyFamilyConsulting LLC or give it away via my own self-directed charitable endeavors I would do it without even thinking about it.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Was puzzling they didn't include an image of said logo[1]. IIRC I've observed this for some other articles in the past covering trademark disputes. Is there a common reason they might do this? [1] https://www.swissfruit.ch/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/sov_new...

Trademarks, unlike copyright, are "use and protect it or lose it". There's no "expiry" date on them like copyrighted things have because brands sometimes live for over a hundred years. Letting someone take your companies name and logo just because you're "too old" isn't fair. This is because trademarks, unlike copyright, aren't about science and innovation; they're about preventing consumer confusion. Not protecting…

> There's no "expiry" date on them like copyrighted things

Federal trademarks expire after 10 years and you have to renew them or lose them.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Wired knows better. Apple is required by US trademark law to file pro forma objections to other similar logos because if they don't, they can be accused of constructive abandonment' of their own mark which will drastically limit their ability to seek recourse against genuine infringement. The problem here is not Apple, but the perverse incentives in US trademark jurisprudence.

Nails it. This needs to be upvoted more.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, just abolish patents and trademarks.

Patents and trademarks are a relic from the past that drastically suppresses innovation and puts technological advancement into slow motion, turning corporate moats into islands flying in the sky with forcefields of lawyers and bureaucracy, and enables a whole market of bad-faith parasites. There is no good-faith argument for their existence. They hurt the general populace for the benefit of some tiny minority of meg…

Agree parents are too often harmful but trademarks seem necessary for trust.

If I’m buying a can of Coca Cola with the logo I want it to be the real drink and not some fake import.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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> Following a protracted back-and-forth between both parties, the IPI partially granted Apple’s request last fall, saying that Apple could have rights relating to only some of the goods it wanted, citing a legal principle that considers generic images of common goods—like apples—to be in the public domain. In the spring, Apple launched an appeal. And the worst part is that Apple is wasting tax-payer money around the…

Agreed. The only mandate for a corporation is growth and revenue. These goals are at odds with the good of people and our planet, as we've seen countless times. Corporations consume most of our resources, produce the most waste, and damage _everything_ more compared to any individual. This won't change, because those with the power to do something benefit from the status quo and don't feel the damage they cause. Capi…

Do other forms of government not rape the land, build industry, dump chemicals and pollutants, etc?

Not sure the history of North Korea, China, Soviet Union, etc is an environmentalist paradise.

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