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Europe has fallen behind America and the gap is growing

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Re: Europe has fallen behind America and the gap is growing

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The EU without a common language and government is a failed experiment

There's a lot of common government. The same way you could call the US a failed experiment because they still have state-level governments? And the language you've always had as a given.

We're not quite as integrated. But we don't want to be. The US model is not necessarily the best for everyone.

Re: Europe has fallen behind America and the gap is growing

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post #7

The EU without a common language and government is a failed experiment

If the goal was to prevent war amongst the European nations, as is their wont, I’d say it’s successful - or as Maverick said, “Ask me again tomorrow, but it’s lookin’ good so far.”

Granted, seventy years isn’t too long in the scheme of things, but I’d say it has a lot of life in it yet.

Re: Europe has fallen behind America and the gap is growing

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Of course it has, and it will further. EU countries are busy dominating each other. The EU is not about unity but rather about modern day colonialism. I think storm clouds are brewing over europe and wont be too long until things will blow up again.

France might have some imperial/colonial intentions, rest of Europe is actively fighting against neocolonialism by supporting Ukraine against Russian imperialism.

Re: Europe has fallen behind America and the gap is growing

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post #7

The EU without a common language and government is a failed experiment

The EU is in fact a resounding success of monetary integration and legal harmonization leading to a mutually beneficial zone of economic cooperation. People can travel, work and live in any member state with little or no barriers. Produce and sell their goods and services across the whole zone in one big legal bloc. The cost of being outside of that bloc is one that Britons are now starting to realise, and are beginn…

The aqueduct?

Re: Europe has fallen behind America and the gap is growing

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post #6

Of course it has, and it will further. EU countries are busy dominating each other. The EU is not about unity but rather about modern day colonialism. I think storm clouds are brewing over europe and wont be too long until things will blow up again.

> The EU is not about unity but rather about modern day colonialism. What does this mean?

It doesn't mean absolutely anything.

Re: Europe has fallen behind America and the gap is growing

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The point about the lifestyle industries is a good one. Europeans feel they have the good life, so why would they want to be more like Americans (who work like crazy, have no safety net, and live with random gun violence) or like the Chinese (who slide into even greater autocracy)? Perhaps the drawbacks of American and Chinese society are the very factors contributing to their economic growth?

Yeah I live in one of the lower-wage EU countries even though I'm from one of the higher-wage ones. Though in practice it doesn't really matter as cost of living is lower too, it just matters when buying electronics. Or a car but I don't need one where I live and I hate driving. And having completely free healthcare gives a lot of peace of mind. But I don't want to work harder to have more. I have enough to live comf…

I find American culture overall is really kind of pointless and rudderless.

It’s a seemingly hyper competitive place built on the idea of having money and material possessions = good over all else, including environmental destruction, but to what end ? For the benefit of 1% of the population?

America also seems to need an enemy, there’s something in that.

Re: Europe has fallen behind America and the gap is growing

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The point about the lifestyle industries is a good one. Europeans feel they have the good life, so why would they want to be more like Americans (who work like crazy, have no safety net, and live with random gun violence) or like the Chinese (who slide into even greater autocracy)? Perhaps the drawbacks of American and Chinese society are the very factors contributing to their economic growth?

Yeah I live in one of the lower-wage EU countries even though I'm from one of the higher-wage ones. Though in practice it doesn't really matter as cost of living is lower too, it just matters when buying electronics. Or a car but I don't need one where I live and I hate driving. And having completely free healthcare gives a lot of peace of mind. But I don't want to work harder to have more. I have enough to live comf…

> Yeah I live in one of the lower-wage EU countries even though I'm from one of the higher-wage ones. Though in practice it doesn't really matter as cost of living is lower too, it just matters when buying electronics. Or a car but I don't need one where I live and I hate driving. And having completely free healthcare gives a lot of peace of mind.

And cheaper real estate means you are paid less and build less equity in a house. But like the car, people convince themselves they don't want it so they don't have to admit they can't have it anyways.

> and resulting crime, gun violence

A lot of it can be traced to our southern border and gang activity. Something I'm surprised Europeans don't realize considering the rise in violent crimes post 2015 migrant crisis...

Re: Europe has fallen behind America and the gap is growing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I live in one of the lower-wage EU countries even though I'm from one of the higher-wage ones. Though in practice it doesn't really matter as cost of living is lower too, it just matters when buying electronics. Or a car but I don't need one where I live and I hate driving. And having completely free healthcare gives a lot of peace of mind. But I don't want to work harder to have more. I have enough to live comf…

> Yeah I live in one of the lower-wage EU countries even though I'm from one of the higher-wage ones. Though in practice it doesn't really matter as cost of living is lower too, it just matters when buying electronics. Or a car but I don't need one where I live and I hate driving. And having completely free healthcare gives a lot of peace of mind. And cheaper real estate means you are paid less and build less equity…

„But like the car, people convince themselves they don’t want it”

If you live in Europe, you often seriously don’t want or need a car. I didn’t have a car for 8 years - even though I could afford it easilt, and it took pandemic and a shutdown of my favourite car sharing company to finally get my own car. Aside from winters, a mix of Lime scooters, trams and Ubers works very well in Poland - and it’s way healthier.

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