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Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Re: Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Post by dsabanin »

tekla wrote: post #38
Spivak wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are people so weird about corn syrup? If you're fine with other forms of refined sugar you should be fine with corn syrup and vice versa. People make what is essentially corn syrup in the form of invert sugar from sugar cane.

Probably ignorance of chemistry. I always have a fun time when people demonize fructose, and then I point out its completely natural organic fruit sugar. (I mention natural and organic in the colloquial way, not the actual definition)

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructolysis:

> Unlike glucose, which is directly metabolized widely in the body, fructose is almost entirely metabolized in the liver in humans, where it is directed toward replenishment of liver glycogen and triglyceride synthesis.

They are not the same.

Re: Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Post by basq »

tekla wrote: post #37
yetihehe wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some foods can cause your satiety system to go bad and you then feel hungry and consume more food. Not everyone counts calories and says "oh, I've eaten too much today, better stop", some people (like me) actually feel real pain when they are hungry and going hungry lowers you willpower which you need to keep not eating and inflict pain on yourself.

Literally everyone feels pain when hungry. The trick is realizing its perfectly goddamn normal and you don't have to eat a 1000 calorie meal because of hunger pains.

It's certainly more complicated than that. I spent a year and a half trying to be in a calorie deficit, meticulously tracking every calorie and wasn't able to lose weight, because I wasn't able to stay in a calorie deficit long enough.

Recently switched to keto, which has the primary function of lowering insulin levels and reduction of feelings of hunger. And within 2 months I'm 18 lbs down.

It's not simply a matter of Calories in/calories out, the kinds of calories you eat matter. 2000 calories of donuts vs 2000 of beef are vastly different nutrient profiles and you will have corresponding health effects accordingly.

Re: Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

uejfiweun wrote: post #13

Why is it that it's only sketchy websites like this that report on soybean oil and other seed oils? Surely if it were such a big deal, reputable news outlets would have picked up the story, no? What's going on here? Is the whole thing bullshit? Or is big seed oil covering it up?

Science Daily reported on it too: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200117080827.h...

And of course the Endocrine society did: https://endocrinenews.endocrine.org/eureka-2020-part-i-top-e...

A possible reason for "reputable" news outlets to not report on this is that the link between soybean oil and diabetes/obesity was already known. This paper demonstrates some specific gene regulation effects, but other than the oxytocin-insulin link any other effects are more speculatory.

Re: Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Post by mariusor »

moi2388 wrote: post #23
lm28469 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably that part: > potentially impacting energy metabolism CICO is mostly true if you already have a balanced diet, if you eat 2000kcal of ultra processed food you'll have side effects you wouldn't have with a cleaner diet. The body is a fine tuned machine, it doesn't process 100kcal of sugar the same way it processed 100kcal of broccoli

Whilst that is true, in neither case will it extract the full kcal, since that was calculated by completely burning the food (in a calorimeter). If you burn more than 100kcal you will not gain weight no matter what. You might still get fatter, but your total mass cannot increase if you burn more calories than you consume unless you violate conservation of energy.

I am so weirded out that almost nobody seems to acknowledge that calorie numbers have no actual meaning with the way digestion processes food in a human body. Relying on food consumption advice that's based on calorie numbers and math is invariably wrong, the only way it might happen to have any meaningful impact is because low numbers mean lower overall quantities.

Also the way calories are "counted" in exercise is absolutely bogus for individuals because it rarely takes into account their physiology and basically uses made up numbers of various exercise types.

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Post by zenapollo »

_xnmw wrote: post #10

Centuries later after Pax Americana ends historians will be talking about soybean oil like we talk about lead pipes in Rome.

Yes. Industrial seed oils are the next gluten. The biohacking community has been up on this for a decade or so. The quick headline is the healthiest fats are first tier: animal fat (meat/tallow/ghee) and olive oil, second tier: avocado, coconut. Third tier: more controversial but i believe a few specialty seed/nut oils apply- sesame, walnut, a few others. Basically that’s it, everything else comes with health risks, inflammation, and apparently hormone and other healthy gene expression. “vegetable”, soy, canola, corn“ are all inflammatory and problematic. It’s a good idea to avoid.

Re: Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

bigbillheck wrote: post #42
tekla wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creating mass out of nothing is literally impossible.

Sure, but creating mass out of calories that would instead go into the toilet is not.

I am guessing that chronic inflammation can lead to weight gain through fluid leakage into tissues (effectively trapping more non-caloric water weight in the body).

https://open.oregonstate.education/aandp/chapter/26-1-body-f...

> Figure 26.1.8 – Edema: An allergic reaction can cause capillaries in the hand to leak excess fluid that accumulates in the tissues.

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