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Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Apple is manoeuvring itself into a position where it could Without any other reasonable explanation for why it should Except for the one of which Fruit Union is afraid it would

> Without any other reasonable explanation for why they should You want a reasonable explanation such as they might want to use a 3D logo when launching a 3D product their currently spending millions advertising.

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Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Nah, just void their trademark.

Nah, just abolish patents and trademarks.

Patents and trademarks are a relic from the past that drastically suppresses innovation and puts technological advancement into slow motion, turning corporate moats into islands flying in the sky with forcefields of lawyers and bureaucracy, and enables a whole market of bad-faith parasites.

There is no good-faith argument for their existence. They hurt the general populace for the benefit of some tiny minority of mega-rich, sick people with a mutation selecting for sociopathic and greedy behaviors.

Abolish patents and trademarks.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Remove single common word trademarks, no one has a right to constraint general language usage like that.

Even if we look at the law being able to do single common word trademarks where meant to be very restrictive like Apple "for computer hardware" but not Apple for selling literal Apples. The only problem is this laws never fully considered companies with massive horizontal expansion (e.g. computer hardware + OS + phone + App Store + Music lable + TV setup box + movie streaming + payment provider).

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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There should be a penalty for such bogus trademark claims, best as % of the global revenue. Then, maybe, they would learn that a corporation cannot bully others only because it has unlimited legal resources.

Maybe corporations should have their freedom for filing lawsuits capped in some way to a reasonable, but not unlimited, proportion that would force them to prioritize their lawsuits, hopefully hindering their ability to pursue claims that serve as frivolous, bullying land grabs. Society's courts should not end up functioning as a corporations' business development departments. A rough draft of some possibilities: - L…

Congratulations! Apple has now split into Apple Legal 1, Apple Legal 2, Apple Legal 3, all subsidiaries of Apple Inc., and their IP has been redistributed. They now have three times the lawsuits.

No, some shitstains just need to go to jail to learn. They are actively harming our societies, and the lack of defense justified by "but free market" is mind boggling. Nowhere else would we tolerate such a virus.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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If Apple's trademark conflicts with an older established trademark, shouldn't the older one win, and therefore invalidate Apple's trademark? I would strongly support a law that automatically invalidates trademarks when abused for silly nonsense like this. Give the big corps something to lose.

yes, through only the trademark in context of this specific field

Trademarks are in general not for all fields, e.g. Apple for "computers" but not for literally selling apples or medizine.

The problem is they can just abuse various laws to continuously sue a company in all kinds of fields going again and again into revision until the smaller company can't afford the legal fees anymore even if they win.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Funny how 'give more of it to employees' and 'lower prices' aren't really in the vocabulary

I'm in Business School and took a class in Finance. In a lecture the professor presented what to do if a company has too much cash, the options where: 1. Invest in positive NPV projects 2. Store some for a rainy day 3/4. Pay divdends or stock buybacks Only after did I think "You know, what about lowering prices or paying employees, these options are soley about shareholders". But... yes, managers are taught to think…

> But... yes, managers are taught to think about increasing shareholder wealth above all.

Saving money for a rainy day helps employees, too. Investing in new projects does indirectly because staffing up those projects increases the demand for labor, so the price of labor goes up.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Proposal: Remove single common word trademarks, no one has a right to constraint general language usage like that. Even if we look at the law being able to do single common word trademarks where meant to be very restrictive like Apple "for computer hardware" but not Apple for selling literal Apples. The only problem is this laws never fully considered companies with massive horizontal expansion (e.g. computer hardwar…

...and couple it with the ridiculous stupid "one-word taken from regular language" brand naming decisions done by most startups and tech projects.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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Does anyone ever get the feeling of creeping abomination? Or the nagging suspicion that we are neglecting a duty--to answer such affronts with examples written in blood? These machines grind people down, poison the land, and seek percentages that would make the most tyrannical feudal lord blush.

Carroll Quigley had interesting things to say about corporations.

Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland

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> THE FRUIT UNION Suisse is 111 years old. For most of its history, it has had as its symbol a red apple with a white cross—the Swiss national flag superimposed on one of its most common fruits. But the group, the oldest and largest fruit farmer’s organization in Switzerland, worries it might have to change its logo, because Apple, the tech giant, is trying to gain intellectual property rights over depictions of appl…

> What is Apple going to do next? Try to get a patent on rounded corners for rectangular electronic devices? For those that haven't seen it https://www.theverge.com/2012/11/7/3614506/apple-patents-rec... yes, they actually did.

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