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Having been a part of these negotiations for services other than S3, DTO discounts can be generous if you have a good forecast (3-5 years) on your data egress.
Seems crazy to run such large infrastructure on a major cloud. Tens of millions wasted. Canva is likely trapped in S3 never to exit. The cost of getting their data out makes it impossible. S3…. the Hotel California of the cloud. You can check in any time you like but you can never leave. S3 is 9 cents per GB egress fees. Cloudflare R2 charges zero egress fees. At list price of 9 cents per GB it would cost Canva about…
Seems crazy to run such large infrastructure on a major cloud. Tens of millions wasted. Canva is likely trapped in S3 never to exit. The cost of getting their data out makes it impossible. S3…. the Hotel California of the cloud. You can check in any time you like but you can never leave. S3 is 9 cents per GB egress fees. Cloudflare R2 charges zero egress fees. At list price of 9 cents per GB it would cost Canva about…
what's the durability of R2?
Seems crazy to run such large infrastructure on a major cloud. Tens of millions wasted. Canva is likely trapped in S3 never to exit. The cost of getting their data out makes it impossible. S3…. the Hotel California of the cloud. You can check in any time you like but you can never leave. S3 is 9 cents per GB egress fees. Cloudflare R2 charges zero egress fees. At list price of 9 cents per GB it would cost Canva about…
what's the durability of R2?
Cloudflare has been reliable on storage adjacent uses (caching) for a long time. Presumably you're more likely to be the cause of errors than R2 is by a few orders of magnitude.
Seems crazy to run such large infrastructure on a major cloud. Tens of millions wasted. Canva is likely trapped in S3 never to exit. The cost of getting their data out makes it impossible. S3…. the Hotel California of the cloud. You can check in any time you like but you can never leave. S3 is 9 cents per GB egress fees. Cloudflare R2 charges zero egress fees. At list price of 9 cents per GB it would cost Canva about…
Why do they need to get everything out? Some not-insignificant percentage of the content is surely archived/unused/unneeded assets. From customers who will never log in again or projects which are long over. Export the most recent 10% and put anything new on
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Many aws services are hit or miss but s3 is just a marvel. Running geo-distributed 100s PB Ceph cluster with tiered storage isn't exactly trivial.
Millions of dollars per year isn't exactly a trivial amount of money either… Nobody said it's some super easy thing one could do on their free time, but given the scale it makes sense to build the knowledge in-house instead of getting vendor-locked-in at the most expensive service provider on the market.
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^^^ The cloud vs. on-prem argument often seems to ignore the (enormous) middle-ground. Just because one portion of your architecture would do well to be run outside the cloud, doesn't mean you take out all the other parts you don't want to deal with yourself. Furthmore, "on-prem" might mean in your building, in someone else's building co-located and you rent space and control it, or in someone else's building where t…
My team uses AWS for _everything_. There's three reasons for this on our team (and I've researched it for our use cases. - Consistency. Instead of saying "Oh look in AWS for this app, Azure for this one, and hetzner for this app, except it's test env is in AWS", it all just lives in AWS. It massively simplifies docs, onboarding, and reduces the amount of one-person specialised knowledge. - Engineering Costs. Similar…
Very few people should really be using S3 at any serious scale is my thoughts. The cost savings are enormous (plus cloudflare for example replicates your data a lot closer to users for no extra cost, significantly improving performance). The cost savings can be absolutely enormous for very little/no additional complexity given how many providers are compatible with S3, and the fairly 'boring' nature of S3 compared to other technologies.
A lot of people in this thread should start consultancies that transition companies off the cloud. Apparently, it would be easy for them to save tens of millions, in turn making millions for the consultant.
I'm really surprised how much anti cloud opinion is being voiced here (but maybe I should have known better, after all these years on HN). Even if you don't use any other cloud tech in your stack, my advice is, use S3 (or equivalent)! That level of durability, availability, and scalability, is not trivial to pull off, and is best made somebody else's problem. Even when you're as big as Canva.
I'm a big fan of Garage[1], which is a dead-simple S3 drop-in that you can host on your own drives. It's designed for consumer hardware with shitty internet in-between nodes. [1]: https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/
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Yup, we just moved large chunks of our SaaS platform from the cloud to dedicated servers with Kubernetes serving as an internal cloud. Ended up reducing our cost to 30% (70% saved!). We realized that instead of using scaling for peaks, by having additional dedicated servers available full time - it still worked out significantly cheaper. We also moved a lot of our internal processing to run in specific windows of tim…
Sorry what’s an “internal cloud”? Please tell me we haven’t renamed on-prem.