Would this have any chance or are Apple just planning to bludgeon the other side with lawyers until they run out of money?
Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland
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#22It's articles like these that invoke a sense of surreal prescience. I remember experiencing this same eerie feeling back when I was still trying to convince my employer that WFH would be unavoidable. The CXO (I put X because I can't remember what made up executive role they had at the time) still shrugged it off as "Just a flu".
I remember sitting at a coffee shop at the beach one night with a close friend talking about the general state of things and how it felt crazy to know that soon things will be different forever in ways we can't begin to imagine. Back then I made a thread about it, though, given the channish nature of it, nobody here cared much for it either (you know, it was back in the early days, when "Hug an Asian" campaign was still taking place in the US, you know, the same time as the "fiery but mostly peaceful protests".
This title has a similar feeling to it. The only difference is the enemy now is not some invisible force of nature, but humanmade horrors we impose upon ourselves.
Anarchy as a concept always sounded insane, but look at what the people who have the most money in the world do with it. They don't give a fuck about the issues that are actually important. They will release a PR and keep up appearances while renting out server farms of bots to subdue critical opinion, and subvert any efforts to point these things out by creating fanatics (which is ironic, because fanaticism in today's world is a fully captured market - complete with branded interactions).
Now we are the ones in need of fanatics. People like RMS, who called these things from the start. Yet we turn our backs on them and call them insane. We let companies smear and tarnish their image.
We are at the point where we need a revolution, but we won't get one, because the last humans that haven't been enslaved by comfort are falling every day, and people are remarkably adept at being satisfied living in squalor if the previous iteration was just slightly worse.
Its difficult to imagine how the world will look in this future where only a single school of thought is permitted.
As a gay man from Africa, I apologise if my lived experiences come across as provocative. "Unfortunately, some members of the media use their platforms to push their own personal bias and agenda to control ‘exactly what people think’…This is extremely dangerous to our democracy."
Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland
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#24I'd love to see an interview with one of these lawyers. What trauma does it take to warp a human mind into thinking you can own the concept of images of a fruit? Or is this a case of pure sociopathy and the rule of law is the only thing stopping these guys from torturing animals and running over kids in the street?
That trauma goes by its other name: "money." Or sometimes by its synonyms, "Dollar, Pound, Euro, Swiss franc" among others.
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#25The kind of ridiculous situation that arises when a company is drowning in money with no idea what to do about it. Make work for lawyers, Make work for engineers, share buybacks, no good vision on how to spend the money
> no good vision Ah yes, years of continuing technical and product innovations, with "no good vision"
Re: Apple wants rights to the image of apples in Switzerland
#26The kind of ridiculous situation that arises when a company is drowning in money with no idea what to do about it. Make work for lawyers, Make work for engineers, share buybacks, no good vision on how to spend the money
Interesting choice of words given their new product announcement a few weeks back at WWDC.
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#27> THE FRUIT UNION Suisse is 111 years old. For most of its history, it has had as its symbol a red apple with a white cross—the Swiss national flag superimposed on one of its most common fruits. But the group, the oldest and largest fruit farmer’s organization in Switzerland, worries it might have to change its logo, because Apple, the tech giant, is trying to gain intellectual property rights over depictions of appl…
Apple applied for a design patent for a very specific design and ignorant people flipped out completely misunderstanding the issue. Yet again there’s another story where the details matter and you get articles like this completely glossing over the details. People are posting: Attacking fruit sellers… over a hypothetical concern from a trademark application.
Black and white Granny Smith Apples as it applies to electronic devices and a few other narrow categories, isn’t all Apples or even close to all apples. Yet, trademarks allow such extreme protection even different fruit can be covered.
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#28Was puzzling they didn't include an image of said logo[1]. IIRC I've observed this for some other articles in the past covering trademark disputes. Is there a common reason they might do this? [1] https://www.swissfruit.ch/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/sov_new...
Trademarks, unlike copyright, are "use and protect it or lose it". There's no "expiry" date on them like copyrighted things have because brands sometimes live for over a hundred years. Letting someone take your companies name and logo just because you're "too old" isn't fair. This is because trademarks, unlike copyright, aren't about science and innovation; they're about preventing consumer confusion. Not protecting…
You must diligently protect your trademark against uses by others in similar markets. I would hope that protecting your computing business against apple farmers would get you, at a minimum, a frown and a "no" from a judge or the enforcing agency.
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#30> THE FRUIT UNION Suisse is 111 years old. For most of its history, it has had as its symbol a red apple with a white cross—the Swiss national flag superimposed on one of its most common fruits. But the group, the oldest and largest fruit farmer’s organization in Switzerland, worries it might have to change its logo, because Apple, the tech giant, is trying to gain intellectual property rights over depictions of appl…
As always, the sound bites obscure the issue. The concern is not the specific request, but how widely trademark is enforceable, which is a question of IP law not Apple’s actions. Apple applied for a design patent for a very specific design and ignorant people flipped out completely misunderstanding the issue. Yet again there’s another story where the details matter and you get articles like this completely glossing o…